QQ midpair

LoNeLyAcEs · #1 08-10-2007, 09:02 AM

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.5/$1
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (14.67SB, 3 players)
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9.33BB, 2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (11.33BB, 2 players)
MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 13.33BB

- considering the huge pot I think it is correct to call down
- is this the best play vs an unknown?

sean c · #2 08-10-2007, 09:09 AM

It depends how unknown. If you have played some hands with this dude and nothing has stood out you can fold the turn IMO.

JamesBJames · #3 08-10-2007, 09:14 AM

I'm down for folding this turn too. MP2's checkraise is kinda weird and I really don't understand it, but I think you need to improve on the turn at any rate to keep playing this hand.

Just think: What hand range do you think MP2 has? What do we beat in it?

If you say villain's range is JJ+,AKo,AKs, you beat nothing at the time. You must catch one of your two outs to win. You might argue TT too, but villain hardly ever plays the flop like that.

LoNeLyAcEs · #4 08-10-2007, 09:23 AM

- if he is tight he has QQ+,AK
- if he is loose, he could have TT+,AQs+,KQs and very rarely AJs

i really don't had any read, since i only played a few hands at this table, mixing both ranges gives me enough equity for this call down...

JJack · #5 08-10-2007, 09:30 AM

*gruch*

call flop is good
u are 95% times behind but u have 3,5 outs
2 to set Q and 1,5 to BDSD (non gap) but u can sometimes lose with set of kings so u can probably count 3 MO.

I easly fold at turn UI.

kerowo · #6 08-10-2007, 09:49 AM

This is a bad flop for you, what do you hope to accomplish with the donk? By God you better have not been "betting for information" there or else.

If you want the read call down from the flop, but this doesn't look good for you.

LoNeLyAcEs · #7 08-10-2007, 10:11 AM

it's not a donk, it's a strange C/R

KitCloudkicker · #8 08-10-2007, 10:15 AM

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why is it a strange CR when a K probably makes up a huge part of villains' raising range?

Eric Yang · #9 08-10-2007, 10:35 AM

grunch

Would it be wrong to just fold on the flop? Seems to me that the villain's aggressive preflop probably means he has a king.

Barring that, why keep playing through turn and river?

sean c · #10 08-10-2007, 10:38 AM

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grunch

Would it be wrong to just fold on the flop? Seems to me that the villain's aggressive preflop probably means he has a king.

Barring that, why keep playing through turn and river?

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With a backdoor draw and set outs you have the odds to call the flop check/raise.