200NL - turn top set, but all kinds of draws got there

moldman · #1 08-09-2007, 12:57 PM

Early on at table and haven't seen either villain before, but in 8 hands, MP1 is at 75/25/1 for the little that's worth and the button is at 25/0/0. On to the hand...

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$1/$2 Blinds
9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $198.00
BB: $180.20
UTG: $104.55
UTG+1: $200.00
MP1: $363.10
MP2: $196.25
MP3: $197.00
CO: $163.10
BTN: $197.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $2.00, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN calls $2.00, Hero raises to $12.00, BB folds, MP1 calls $10.00, CO calls $10.00, BTN calls $10.00

Flop: ($50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero bets $37.00, MP1 calls $37.00, CO folds, BTN calls $37.00

Turn: ($161) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero ??

Renton · #2 08-09-2007, 01:01 PM

c/f

moldman · #3 08-09-2007, 01:09 PM

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c/f

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In your eyes, is the c-bet bad in this spot then too?

King Spew · #4 08-09-2007, 01:19 PM

Three callers before me PF, I would want to win it there with a bigger bet... $16-20.

Then you get a bunch of callers to your PF raise..... gotta believe pockets are well in range. And not premium pockets either....maybe Q-7.

OOP on the flop sucks here even if you were the PF aggressor. I would be c/f, or c/c (small) all the way home if allowed. Someone's either got a set already or OESD with the flush element alive and well. At these stakes, you can't very well protect your hand against any of those so I would lay low and hope for showdown.

Turn OMG what a GREAT card
Turn OMG what a FVCKN card

cheap showdown please.

CazicT · #5 08-09-2007, 01:42 PM

Check and call if given a decent price to draw to the FH, otherwise fold.

I don't know, I can't imagine not betting the flop. I mean the flop kinda sucks but I want to try to get rid of one of these fools and charge the other to draw. I could be wrong, but that's what I would do if in this position.

Renton · #6 08-09-2007, 01:44 PM

flop bet is fine

effang · #7 08-09-2007, 02:13 PM

c/f??? am i missing something...look at those stacks. if you get 2 callers, you def have the odds needed to call for boat. Plus, the "flush" may potentially slow down the straight draw villain that hit.

moldman · #8 08-09-2007, 03:13 PM

One of the problems I had here was the inflated pot by the turn, if I make any kind of bet or even check/call, I only have like 70 bucks left behind on the river in a huge pot and almost would feel obligated to call with top set. Just couldn't figure out what was best way to go here.

BT2 · #9 08-09-2007, 03:18 PM

check flop...fold or call based on reads. then check/fold turn

friedace · #10 08-09-2007, 03:41 PM

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Check and call if given a decent price to draw to the FH, otherwise fold.

I don't know, I can't imagine not betting the flop. I mean the flop kinda sucks but I want to try to get rid of one of these fools and charge the other to draw. I could be wrong, but that's what I would do if in this position.

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