[NL 5] 2x four of a kind

wesselc · #1 08-06-2007, 06:25 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($3.63)
Button ($2.01)
SB ($1.59)
BB ($4.84)
UTG ($3.38)
MP ($2.12)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.08, 1 fold, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold.

Flop: ($0.18) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.14, SB calls $0.14.

Turn: ($0.46) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.24, SB calls $0.24.

River: ($0.94) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $0.16, Hero raises to $0.7, SB calls $0.54.

Final Pot: $2.34

How could I get more value?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($4.71)
CO ($2.01)
Button ($0.43)
SB ($4.82)
BB ($3.38)
UTG ($2.12)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 3 folds, BB calls $0.06.

Flop: ($0.17) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.17) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.04, BB calls $0.04.

River: ($0.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.1, BB calls $0.10.

Final Pot: $0.45

How could i get more value?

On both hands i had no reads on villian.

DaycareInferno · #2 08-06-2007, 06:28 PM

first hand it looks like you got pretty good value.

second hand, i'm betting that flop every time, because 22+ will look me up quite often, but not so much on the turn.

Pants Optional · #3 08-06-2007, 06:30 PM

second hand you made your bets way too small... .12 on flop, ~.32 on turn, .80 on river is what im doing

wesselc · #4 08-06-2007, 06:31 PM

okay, i had really no idea what villian could have, thought he had hit a 9 on the turn.

JechtSphere · #5 08-06-2007, 06:37 PM

I think these spots are sort of tough to get a lot of value from unless the player you're in the pot realizes that he can't really fold a boat there because your range is so wide (at least that's my general understanding).

You could have probably bet a bit more on the turn, but even half pot is ok there, although it's getting to be a very draw heavy board so I'd be more inclined to lead for at least 2/3 pot, probably closer to 3/4; I think you're getting a draw to come along for that price just as much as half, especially if I know the opponent is prone to paying any price to draw.

River I'm raising a bit more in that spot, probably closer to pot; sometimes if the villain is a total nut I'd overbet it.

selector2006 · #6 08-06-2007, 06:45 PM

Hand 1: bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn. You have a good hand but still got to protect against the flushdraw. On the river you can go all-in. He almost never calls that, but if he does you win big.

Hand 2: you will never win much here unless he has AA or KK or is a donk with a 9.

But actually it doesn't really matter that much, because you almost never have quads. Even if you lose your total stack everytime when you have quads it doesn't matter for your overall winrate [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

wesselc · #7 08-06-2007, 06:47 PM

thnx jechtsphere [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

after i played the hand, i also thought i could have raised more on the river. He would have called.

wesselc · #8 08-06-2007, 06:50 PM

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Hand 1: bet 2/3 of the pot on the turn. You have a good hand but still got to protect against the flushdraw. On the river you can go all-in. He almost never calls that, but if he does you win big.

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I don't see what gives me more value if i shove on the river and he isn't going to call it.

I think its better to bet the pot here or 3/4 pot, like sayed above.

selector2006 · #9 08-06-2007, 07:02 PM

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I don't see what gives me more value if i shove on the river and he isn't going to call it.

I think its better to bet the pot here or 3/4 pot, like sayed above.

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Kinda theoretical, but if he's going to call $5 once out of every 4 times, and call $1 every time, you're still better of betting $5.

maciczka · #10 08-06-2007, 07:25 PM

1st hand: bet pot maybe on flop, then we have turn/river. he CALLED You on flop, so he probably DOESNT BELIEVE YOU HAVE ACE so You should bet MORE both on turn and river.

2nd hand: i would min-raise the flop, so he can think I'm weak and maybe he would raise me but at that limits I strongly believe he won't, and He doesn't even know min-raising is weak... :P