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Old 08-06-2007, 01:36 PM
Dazarath Dazarath is offline
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Default Big Pot #2 (2/4)

Villain is ezvc, basically an aggro LAGtard. Am I retarded for considering anything but folding? I find in these situations, people turn their hands into bluffs way more than they should, and if we started with 100 BBs, I'd snapcall, but we were more like 190 BBs deep or something. I feel that his hand range leans more towards a big pair than AK since he called the 4-bet. I probably should've 4-bet more to avoid this crappy situation. Any thoughts?

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $523.00
BB: $682.85
UTG: $430.00
MP: $372.50
Hero (CO): $730.20
BTN: $1,316.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $36.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $110.00</font>, BTN calls $74.00

Flop: ($226) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $116.00</font>, Hero calls $116.00

Turn: ($458) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $972.00</font>, Hero?
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:29 PM
Teh1337zor Teh1337zor is offline
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Default Re: Big Pot #2 (2/4)

I like 4 betting a little bigger pre, and I just fold the flop
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: Big Pot #2 (2/4)

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I like 4 betting a little bigger pre, and I just fold the flop

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this does it for me
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default Re: Big Pot #2 (2/4)

What do you mean when you sa6y lagtard? That hes bad?

I would seriously consider calling against a good player here. Your hand is totally face up imo and he would be losing a lot of value here by pushing so hard.

He either has 88 or a lower pocket pair here and realizes you have QQ-KK, which makes me call. If hes a bad player/fishy I would prolly fold cuz I know I can get find better spots to double up thru him.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: Big Pot #2 (2/4)

esvc is like 43/26 isnt he?
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Old 08-06-2007, 05:55 PM
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What do you mean when you sa6y lagtard? That hes bad?

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He's a LAG/retard.

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I would seriously consider calling against a good player here. Your hand is totally face up imo and he would be losing a lot of value here by pushing so hard.

He either has 88 or a lower pocket pair here and realizes you have QQ-KK, which makes me call. If hes a bad player/fishy I would prolly fold cuz I know I can get find better spots to double up thru him.

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This seems rather backwards to me. If he's a loose/passive bad player, it's an easy fold. If he's a completely maniac who loves to bluff, it's an easy call. If he's a good, thinking player, he can balance his play in such a way that it sucks for me no matter what I do. In that case, I think I'd rather just fold to lower variance if the EV of calling/folding is roughly the same.

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esvc is like 43/26 isnt he?

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I don't have the stats on hand, but that sounds right. But it's not just his stats. His postflop play is way overaggro. Combined with the fact that his range is leaning more heavily towards KK-TT, I think makes it close. Which is why I posted it, of course.
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Old 08-06-2007, 06:01 PM
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If he's smart at all given his image i dont see how he could bluff here. On the 2nd level you could easily be just setting him up to spew off his entire stack, and if he knows this, which he should, he shouldnt necessarily bluff.

However your range is purely AK/QQ+ and rarely (like 1% of the time) air. Half your range pretty much has to fold to this line so it'd be interesting for him to bluff.
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Old 08-06-2007, 06:24 PM
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I never said he was smart.
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