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Old 08-04-2007, 11:32 PM
LuckySal LuckySal is offline
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Default 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

no reads, villain (bb) just sat down at the tabel

MP3 = a huge donk playing 87% of his hands, i seriously saw him limp/calling with a hand like 95s in a same spot (he just played a 42k pots with A5o) i've 0% worries about him


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 (t10251)
MP1 (t31285)
MP2 (t14730)
MP3 (t42295)
Hero (t18443)
Button (t32493)
SB (t14030)
BB (t18471)
UTG (t47038)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls t800, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2750</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls t1950, MP3 calls t1950.

Flop: (t8050) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t5000</font>, BB calls t5000, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t18050) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t10646 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t7404
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Old 08-04-2007, 11:54 PM
SuperUberBob SuperUberBob is offline
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

I really don't think I could fold this.

You've committed nearly half your stack by the flop. If he's got a jack, you have to suck it up and accept your fate.
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Old 08-05-2007, 12:08 AM
LuckySal LuckySal is offline
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

@ the time i was thinking QQ,AA, anything with a J was huge part of is range

i can't see him taking this line with AQ or a PP, maybe A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]


but maybe i am/i was wrong [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 08-05-2007, 01:59 AM
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

Your seeing monsters. Call!
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Old 08-05-2007, 02:06 AM
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

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You're seeing monsters. Call!

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Old 08-05-2007, 02:22 AM
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

i think u meant is this an easy call
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:43 AM
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

OK so what would villain be Cold Calling 3.5bb preflop, Flatcalling on the flop (with worst position) and leading out on a meaningless turn with.
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Old 08-05-2007, 03:44 AM
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

Doesnt his line looks very very strong!
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Old 08-05-2007, 05:00 AM
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

the only handd you have to be scared is
AJ
KJ
AA

QQ or JJ would be reraised or at least not go all in on the turn

im not sure he had J but he really can protect it vs the flush draw
i think it tought call
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Old 08-05-2007, 08:36 AM
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Default Re: 3r on stars; KK is this an easy FOLD guys??? (third hour)

I would put villain on a range of AJs+,AJo+,KJs+,KJo+,QJs,QJo

Against that range you are a favorit

Board: Qc Jd Jh 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 53.719% 53.72% 00.00% 1040 0.00 { KhKs }
Hand 1: 46.281% 46.28% 00.00% 896 0.00 { AJs+, KJs+, QJs, AJo+, KJo+, QJo }


Remember, he would play a Q and a J the same way, but there are 3 possibilities for him to have a Q but only 2 for a J. Also it's not so uncommon in a 3R for villain to have TT, 99 or a flush/straight draw here. Throw those in and you are even more a favorit.

Btw: the chances of villain smoothcalling with JJ+ here are 0. And even if you add those to the range, you still lose only 4% in equity.

This is a instacall with a fistpump.
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