6.5: BB special

jkoek · #1 08-04-2007, 06:06 PM

villian = 30/8/1.5 - 25 hands
he missed his draw?
my line good here?!... im not sure

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG+1 (t1915)
MP1 (t2570)
MP2 (t1750)
CO (t1525)
Button (t1130)
SB (t1295)
Hero (t1640)
UTG (t1675)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, MP2 calls t50, CO calls t50, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (t225) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets t160, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls t160, CO folds.

Turn: (t545) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t350, MP2 calls t350.

River: (t1245) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t500, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1745

DeuceSeven · #2 08-04-2007, 06:10 PM

I check the turn for pot control. I think you're behind here most of the time, check/fold the river. I'd prefer checking the turn and if villain checks behind you can now check/call the river unless something bad hits.

hitch1978 · #3 08-04-2007, 06:22 PM

I also check the turn, but more as a bluf catcher.

DeuceSeven · #4 08-04-2007, 06:27 PM

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Checking the turn is for both controlling the pot and catching bluffs, plus it's easier to call a 300 bet on the river then betting 300 on the turn and calling 500 on the river.

ymu · #5 08-04-2007, 06:35 PM

I never check this turn - it's a $6.50, he almost always has a weaker Q or a flush draw or something worse. J9/QT/T8 just overtook - a few draws picked up some extra outs with a pair/or another draw - 22/88/QQ/AQ were always ahead but QQ/AQ are so unlikely given preflop.

I c/c this river because a combo draw with JT is very much in his range and because I think he can bluff a lot of missed draws and value bet worse made hands.

Bet more on this board - if he likes it he'll pay more anyway and it's very draw heavy. I pot the flop and the turn and then it's irrelevant by the river - it's all going in.

DeuceSeven · #6 08-04-2007, 06:39 PM

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I never check this turn - it's a $6.50, he almost always has a weaker Q or a flush draw or something worse. J9/QT/T8 just overtook - a few draws picked up some extra outs with a pair/or another draw - 22/88/QQ/AQ were always ahead but QQ/AQ are so unlikely given preflop.

I c/c this river because a combo draw with JT is very much in his range and because I think he can bluff a lot of missed draws and value bet worse made hands.

Bet more on this board - if he likes it he'll pay more anyway and it's very draw heavy. I pot the flop and the turn and then it's irrelevant by the river - it's all going in.

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I don't like going crazy with tp in an unraised pot when 4 players saw the flop. I'd rather check the turn then check/call the river. Say a non scary card hits the river then you can get an aggro donk to bet the river and you can snap off his bluff. I'd rather get a large portion of my chips in an unraised pot with a set or in a raised pot with tptk. Playing big pots in marginal situations is what I try and stay away from early in a sng.

hitch1978 · #7 08-04-2007, 06:40 PM

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I never check this turn........... J9/QT/T8 just overtook

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That's a reason NOT to check???!!??

Serious question - what am I missing?

ymu · #8 08-04-2007, 06:46 PM

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I never check this turn........... J9/QT/T8 just overtook

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That's a reason NOT to check???!!??

Serious question - what am I missing?

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because that's 3 hands out of a gazillion he could have called the flop with and I don't think giving a free card to the gazillion that can outdraw us (most of them having a smidgen short of a gazillion outs) just in case he has one of the three that just hit is a good idea.

hitch1978 · #9 08-04-2007, 06:49 PM

Again, seriously.

Against this player type, doesn't he donate chips with >50% of those gazilion chips when he whiffs, vs, our paying him off when <50% of them hit by taking a passive line?

ymu · #10 08-04-2007, 06:52 PM

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I don't like going crazy with tp in an unraised pot when 4 players saw the flop. I'd rather check the turn then check/call the river. Say a non scary card hits the river then you can get an aggro donk to bet the river and you can snap off his bluff. I'd rather get a large portion of my chips in an unraised pot with a set or in a raised pot with tptk. Playing big pots in marginal situations is what I try and stay away from early in a sng.

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I agree with everything you said, I just don't agree that this is marginal. At this buy-in they're calling down with so much that you beat - if you don't get full value the times you are ahead you won't make up the chips up from those times you are behind. Without a read to the contrary, you're ahead way more than you're behind, so going broke here is profitable.

And only one player called the flop - or are you arguing that we should check the flop too?