PLO Trips on drawy flop

[JackAll]

I only play NL, and a friend was playing and showed me this hand and I puked all over my keyboard.

Against a draw, we are 3-1 ahead, how can we fold this when only 3J and JJ beat us?

My questions are:

- If we can get it in on the flop way ahead, how can we not do it?
- is JJ really likely enough to be nervous AT ALL here. Especially after pf action.
- How does this change if we are short stacked? Deep stacked (200bb)?

Obv this is diff to NL with an extra 2 cards, but when JJ (only combo's of JJ), and 3J(only 3 combo's of this too).

Last question - WTF??

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No reads cuz it wasn't my hand.


Ultimate Bet - Pot Limit Omaha Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $67.00
BB: $44.45
UTG: $113.20
Hero (UTG+1): $100.00
CO: $174.40
BTN: $20.90


Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $1.00, <font color="red">HERO calls $1.00</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $1.00, SB calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($5) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $5.00</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">HERO calls $5.00</font>, <font color="red">MP2 raises all-in to $19.90</font>, SB folds, BTN calls $19.90, <font color="red">HERO folds</font>

[Silent A]

First, your HH is f----d up. The flop action doesn't match with the stack sizes, where was BTN pre-flop, etc.

Pre-flop doesn't tell you anything about the likelihood of JJ being out there. People limp with any JJxx all the time.

On the flop, there are 3 ways to make JJ and 3 ways to make J3. J3 isn't a terribly common combination, but since it's a loose limpfest and BB saw the flop for free you can't discount it too much. For 6-max, 3% likelihood per combo isn't too far off. That means there's about an 18% chance that someone has Hero crushed before we consider the flop action.

Anytime you see three people loving a paired flop top boat alarm bells should be going off in your head. The deeper the stacks are, the more you should be concerned.

Here the stacks are pretty shallow so there could be room to argue that a fold is not in order, but generally this is a pretty bad spot for Hero's hand.

[alavet]

to evade such situations dont join the pot with such crap (in UTG+1)
im pretty sure some1 of them already has 3 so its would be coinflip vs that opponent. Im personally dont like coinflip, esp. in Omaha. And, secondly, another guy probablky have a flush draw, and thats really bad.

i prefer fold there

[JackAll]

Hmm ... cheers for the responses. PLO is wierd.

[iggymcfly]

Honestly, this is a perfectly standard fold on the flop. There's only one 3 out there after ours and there are 3 other players staying in the hand. Even if one of them's overplaying AA+FD, that still leaves one player whose only reasonable hand is JJ. We're drawing dead well over half the time here.