quick question

[CruNKinTILT]

How much of the effective stack do you need to get in preflop to make any flop push with AAxx profitable?

I've been told different answers ranging from 60-90%

[RoundTower]

you will get different answers here too but all much less than 60%, more like 30 to 40%.

[Silent A]

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How much of the effective stack do you need to get in preflop to make any flop push with AAxx profitable?

I've been told different answers ranging from 60-90%

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Anyone who says 50% isn't enough is definitely too nitty. And I can be pretty nitty.

Something on the order of 33% tends to be the consensus at this forum. However, when you get this low it's probably no longer optimal to shove/call any flop.

[CruNKinTILT]

The reason I ask is because there are situations vs an opponent where I am almost certain has AAxx and I have just been guessing if I have the odds to call or not. Below SB did not quite get 30% of his stack in preflop so I guess this makes my call correct?

Stack sizes:
UTG: $56.95
Button: $193.30
SB: $33
hero: $97.50

Pre-flop: (4 players) hero is BB with :th :8h :7c :8d
UTG folds, SB calls, hero raises to $3, SB raises to $9.5, hero calls $6


What if I was OOP here? The percent he needs to get in preflop would be lower right? Since he can dictate whether or not to put any money in postflop.

[Silent A]

Just because it may be profitable for him to go all in on any flop, that doesn't mean that you should auto fold pre-flop.

It's quite common for both of you to be +EV because there's dead money in the pot.

[RoundTower]

yeah there are very few hands you should fold here, even if the stacks were a little shallower. For example suppose his stack was $10, he would have got in 95% of his stack, and this would be profitable for him, but you couldn't fold.