JJ facing overcard on turn.

[MARK R]

Cant remember any reads this is just a hand I have found in poker tracker.

** (0.25|0.50 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- BU sitting in seat 1 with $49.25 [Dealer]
- SB sitting in seat 2 with $46.21
- BB sitting in seat 3 with $52.03
- Hero sitting in seat 4 with $48.86
- MP sitting in seat 5 with $52.60
- CO sitting in seat 6 with $106.59

SB posted the small blind - $0.25
BB posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to HERO Jack of [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Jack of [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero raised - $2.00
MP called - $2.00
CO - $2.00
BU folded
SB folded
BB called - $2.00

** Dealing the flop: 8 of [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7 of [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2 of [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB checked
Hero bet - $6.00
MP called - $6.00
CO folded
BB folded

** Dealing the turn: Queen of [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero: ??????

Also what is your plan on the river if.
1. total blank card. eg 3.
2. a card the makes the str8 eg 6.
3. another over card. eg A
4. The flush card hits.

Thanks for you input.

Mark.

[Jeff P]

This is a situation I struggle with also. The pot is approx $20 on the turn. MP called a 3/4 psb on the flop that's fairly dry, only slightly connected with the 7 and 8. I just don't think the Qh changes too much (I think if we're behind now, we were probably already behind at the flop).

The bad thing is we are OOP. If we make a decent bet on the turn, say $12-$15, we've committed over 1/3 of our stack to this hand, so it's gonna be hard to fold if he comes over the top (since we don't have a read). Check and fold the turn is also difficult to swallow, since we can't be so sure we're beat.

I don't have any advice to give, but I think this is a good illustration of the power of position. Villain has position on us, and that makes our hand more difficult.

[onz3145]

Id bet like 14 on turn and fold to raise.

[HBomb]

There's no reason not to bet the turn, you could be up against alot of straight draws and unless he raises you on the turn, I think you are good here for the most part.

[MARK R]

I bet $15 and he just called the bet.

The river came a 3

Whats my play?

[Waingro]

Check and call a really small bet, no more than $10. That way it can still be a vb with an 8 etc. I think you got as much value you could get.

[onz3145]

Villain never vbs an 8 on the river here

[Waingro]

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Villain never vbs an 8 on the river here

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Sure they do, all the time. They make really small pointless vbs in huge pots with marginal holdings because they "put you on AK". If villain calls down with an 8 he obviously thinks he has the best hand and then Hero checks he is going to vb what he thinks is the best hand. But he bets small, because he knows he has a really crappy hand and basically no worse hand will call. But it doesn´t stop him from betting.

[justhetip]

What about bet the river and fold to a raise?

[Waingro]

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What about bet the river and fold to a raise?

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Stack sizes. Hero has a half pot bet left.