100nl value bet river against donk?

Oct0puz · #1 08-02-2007, 01:41 AM

CO ($190.49)
Button ($413.21)
Hero ($97.5)
BB ($100)
EP ($81.55)
LP ($100)

Villain is a super donk 73/1.8/0.5.

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
EP calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, Hero raises to $7.5, 3 folds, Button calls $6.5,

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($18)
Hero bets $12, Button calls $12,

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42)
Hero checks, Button bets $6, Hero calls $6,

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($54)
Hero?

Is this an easy value bet? And how much should I bet in that case?

Felix Felicis · #2 08-02-2007, 02:23 AM

Is that pre-flop raise from the SB standard?

What percentage of the time do we think you're picking up the 4.5 BBs with that raise versus the time we're playing a big pot worth nearly 20 BBs from the worst possible position -- and maybe even 3 players or more.

As for the river -- just knowing that the player is bad doesn't mean bet. How is he bad? Is he bad in that he is betting 1/6th the pot on the turn with a flush that really wants to get paid off? Is hebad in that he is betting it with a K that he isn't folding? Is he bad in that he's betting it with an 8?

I think it's a check made with the intention of calling most often.

biendover · #3 08-02-2007, 02:30 AM

don't like the crazy SB preflop raise but whatever. If you didn't raise so much you wouldn't so inclined to try to take the pot away from on the flop and put yourself in a weird turn spot.

Betting river is only okay if you're capable of folding to a raise. I like check/calling to induce bluffs from the button.

Oct0puz · #4 08-02-2007, 02:42 AM

what crazy raise???? This is a pretty standard raise after 3 limpers.

viper930 · #5 08-02-2007, 02:44 AM

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don't like the crazy SB preflop raise but whatever. If you didn't raise so much you wouldn't so inclined to try to take the pot away from on the flop and put yourself in a weird turn spot.

Betting river is only okay if you're capable of folding to a raise. I like check/calling to induce bluffs from the button.

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haha

biendover · #6 08-02-2007, 02:48 AM

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don't like the crazy SB preflop raise but whatever. If you didn't raise so much you wouldn't so inclined to try to take the pot away from on the flop and put yourself in a weird turn spot.

Betting river is only okay if you're capable of folding to a raise. I like check/calling to induce bluffs from the button.

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haha

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My thought process off? please expand. It'd be nice to be corrected with something other than a "haha". Trying to learn also.

biendover · #7 08-02-2007, 02:50 AM

I'd like that raise better in position and I still don't like raising that much in position. That raise seems so transparent to me.

Claunchy · #8 08-02-2007, 02:53 AM

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I'd like that raise better in position and I still don't like raising that much in position. That raise seems so transparent to me.

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Seriously, what are you talking about? Are you advocating a limp preflop? That raise is the most standard thing ever. Donks limp crap; we punish them by raising non-crap. Simple.

Anyway, I don't really see someone who only bet 6 on the turn making some hudge river bluff here. I'd just make a smallish (1/2 pot?) value bet and hope he's dumb enough to call with worse. Snapfold to a raise of course.

Cue-Ball 66 · #9 08-02-2007, 02:57 AM

Pre-flop is fine, it's only $1 more than pot-sized. I quite like raising a little bigger from the blinds because I don't mind taking it down pre-flop. And if you get called, you're almost certainly ahead, position is the only drama.

As played I bet 1/2-2/3 pot on river and fold to a raise.

biendover · #10 08-02-2007, 03:05 AM

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I'd like that raise better in position and I still don't like raising that much in position. That raise seems so transparent to me.

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Seriously, what are you talking about? Are you advocating a limp preflop? That raise is the most standard thing ever. Donks limp crap; we punish them by raising non-crap. Simple.

Anyway, I don't really see someone who only bet 6 on the turn making some hudge river bluff here. I'd just make a smallish (1/2 pot?) value bet and hope he's dumb enough to call with worse. Snapfold to a raise of course.

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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm always raising this. I just never raise it to 7.5. Why raise so much if you can have the same affect with a raise of $6 or even $5.