100NL Flopping top two; river line?

Mike MacIntosh · #1 08-01-2007, 02:19 AM

Villain just sat down, so no reads.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($139.10)
Hero ($104)
Button ($92.50)
SB ($97.50)
BB ($108.25)
UTG ($322.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold.

Flop: ($9) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB calls $7.

Turn: ($23) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB calls $18.

River: ($59) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ???

check, b/f, b/c, or shove? Why?

early325 · #2 08-01-2007, 02:31 AM

Bet $38 .. at that point you'd have to call a shove because it would only be less than a min-raise. But if he c/r's the river I could only figure he had AT/9Tcc .. or if he's horrible, 6xss

djj6835 · #3 08-01-2007, 03:49 AM

Definitely not b/f or checking here. I would either bet 2/3 pot or shove. In this case probably shove as I doubt villain is calling 40 twice as often as a shove. I also might bet a little closer to pot on the turn to set up a river shove if those are my intentions.

ilya · #4 08-01-2007, 04:00 AM

I think it's pretty close between betting $18 again and shoving. If I bet small I would call any check-raise. I don't like making a medium bet as I don't think you're deep enough to fold to a check-raise and a medium bet will have really discouraged him from bluff check-raising. You'll end up with the worst of both worlds as hands like K8 would have been almost as likely to call a bigger bet while hands like JT will now probably fold when the would have been quite likely to call $20.

djj6835 · #5 08-01-2007, 05:25 AM

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I think it's pretty close between betting $18 again and shoving. If I bet small I would call any check-raise. I don't like making a medium bet as I don't think you're deep enough to fold to a check-raise and a medium bet will have really discouraged him from bluff check-raising. You'll end up with the worst of both worlds as hands like K8 would have been almost as likely to call a bigger bet while hands like JT will now probably fold when the would have been quite likely to call $20.

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I think random unkowns at NL $100 are bluff check raising the river almost never so I wouldn't really factor that into my decision here at all.

Maliant · #6 08-01-2007, 05:29 AM

bet at least 1/2 the pot... dont shove though you will scare away your action.

schlimazel · #7 08-01-2007, 10:01 AM

put him on a range of hands he could get to the river with, lets say clubs, KJ, KT, Kx, QJ, QT, JT. he's not going to call a river bet with clubs, JT, QT, or probably QJ. he's calling with any Kx because the 6 counterfeits a low kicker.

you have 68 left and the pot is 60. shove and get paid off by KJ, KT, Kx.

Mike MacIntosh · #8 08-01-2007, 10:26 AM

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Definitely not b/f or checking here. I would either bet 2/3 pot or shove. In this case probably shove as I doubt villain is calling 40 twice as often as a shove. I also might bet a little closer to pot on the turn to set up a river shove if those are my intentions.

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Effective stacks are 58.50 on the river, so a river shove is setup nicely with the bet sizing on previous streets.

djj6835 · #9 08-01-2007, 03:10 PM

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Definitely not b/f or checking here. I would either bet 2/3 pot or shove. In this case probably shove as I doubt villain is calling 40 twice as often as a shove. I also might bet a little closer to pot on the turn to set up a river shove if those are my intentions.

[/ QUOTE ] Effective stacks are 58.50 on the river, so a river shove is setup nicely with the bet sizing on previous streets.

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Should be about about $70 unless the converter screwed up.