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Old 08-01-2007, 01:47 AM
thorleif thorleif is offline
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Default Blind defense vs TAG steal

Villain is 29/21/2 ATS:40

How thin do you go with aces here? Every ace? I rly need to review blind defense ranges

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
6 players

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BTN raises,</font> SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.6SB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">BTN bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, BTN calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.3BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, BTN calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.3BB, 2 players)
Hero checks,
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:02 AM
NinaWilliams NinaWilliams is offline
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

I defend with any A here. I made a post about this spot about a week ago or so, and the consenus was to just c/f these flops.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:31 AM
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

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I defend with any A here. I made a post about this spot about a week ago or so, and the consenus was to just c/f these flops.

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Yeah, I like where your head is, but this flop hits his range so hard with pairs or draws that your FE is miniscule.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:33 AM
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

By defend ?she? means call and eval the flop.

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the consenus was to just c/f these flops.

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A high blind defense
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:40 AM
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

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By defend ?she? means call and eval the flop.

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the consenus was to just c/f these flops.

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A high blind defense

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yea I meant at least call an A. I tend to 3 bet A7s+ A8o+ though.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:44 AM
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

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By defend ?she? means call and eval the flop.

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the consenus was to just c/f these flops.

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A high blind defense

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yea I meant at least call an A. I tend to 3 bet A7s+ A8o+ though.

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I think it's spewy to go that low. You get less value from worse hands that miss and you getting RIOed to death.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:55 AM
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

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By defend ?she? means call and eval the flop.

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the consenus was to just c/f these flops.

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A high blind defense

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yea I meant at least call an A. I tend to 3 bet A7s+ A8o+ though.

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I think it's spewy to go that low. You get less value from worse hands that miss and you getting RIOed to death.

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MHSH disagrees
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:02 AM
sethypooh21 sethypooh21 is offline
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

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By defend ?she? means call and eval the flop.

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the consenus was to just c/f these flops.

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A high blind defense

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yea I meant at least call an A. I tend to 3 bet A7s+ A8o+ though.

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I think it's spewy to go that low. You get less value from worse hands that miss and you getting RIOed to death.

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MHSH disagrees

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To be clear, against a button steal, I usually defend down to A2o - my spewish comment was directed towards 3-betting a7s or such from the BB.
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:05 AM
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

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By defend ?she? means call and eval the flop.

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the consenus was to just c/f these flops.

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A high blind defense

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yea I meant at least call an A. I tend to 3 bet A7s+ A8o+ though.

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I think it's spewy to go that low. You get less value from worse hands that miss and you getting RIOed to death.

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MHSH disagrees

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To be clear, against a button steal, I usually defend down to A2o - my spewish comment was directed towards 3-betting a7s or such from the BB.

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Out of curiosity, how low would you go?
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Old 08-01-2007, 03:09 AM
sethypooh21 sethypooh21 is offline
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Default Re: Blind defense vs TAG steal

TBH, HU vs. a button stealer, I very rarely 3-bet with Ax - more likely something in the AT-AQ range. AK vs. someone who is both overaggro and will call down with AQ UI.

I'm much more likely to 3-bet with something that has less intrinsic showdown value, such as KQ or QJs or 66.
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