A question for uNL

[Dan Bitel]

Hypothetical hand:

50NL, 6max, Full Tilt, effective stacks $50.

Preflop: Folded to <font color="red"> MP who raises to $1 </font> , CO folds and Hero calls on button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], the blinds fold.

Flop: ($2.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

<font color="red"> MP bets $2 </font>, Hero....?


Now lets presume we have pretty much no reads on villain, except that we presume he has the usual tendencies of an average 50nl player.

Also, on top of that, let us presume (obviously we could never know this) that his range for betting this flop is EXACTLY 22+ (ie any POCKET pair (not AJ or anything like that))

What should hero do and why?

[checkmate36]

Im going to say just call and use our position on the turn to see what villian does. If he checks we bet, if he bets we raise.

Thanks for taking the time to post this. Im sure the feedback will be interesting and helpful.

[thac]

I'd call since we're IP, evaluate turn

[thac]

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If he checks we bet, if he bets we raise.

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I don't like this much. Raising if he bets again is pretty bad. We fold out a lot of his air hands and we only get called/shoved if he is ahead.

[creamfillin]

I call. No point in raising him off his 88/JT. If he leads strong on a scare card on the turn unimproved, I probably just dump it.

[cubase]

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I call. No point in raising him off his 88/JT. If he leads strong on a scare card on the turn unimproved, I probably just dump it.

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He never has JT here.

"Also, on top of that, let us presume (obviously we could never know this) that his range for betting this flop is EXACTLY 22+ (ie any POCKET pair (not AJ or anything like that))"

[SirFelixCat]

Before I give my answer, my question is why did we call? Why not 3bet this?

[thac]

Dry board, he bluffs turn for more with an underpair if we flat as opposed to raise and we're really only afraid of an A/K that isn't a heart.

[Kasane]

I say flat call is fine. We're in position, villain will either keep betting as a bluff, or shut down -- or he really has something. No draws to protect, and our hand isn't all that vulnerable to overcards.

It sets up floats in the future too when we have zippo or a set.

Re-eval turn, usually calling a modest bet there too. Villains usually don't bet out 3 streets on a bluff, so we can see the river for the same price as if we raised flop. Who knows, maybe we'll improve against AA and end up stacking him. Yeah, there's scenarios where we'll lose more, but not as many as winning more or losing less.

[gobby888]

If villain can only have a pocket pair, then his range is 22 - AA. Hero has top pair JJ, so is beating villain's overall range. Standard continuation bet by villain, flat calling doesn't give us any info. Re-raise and evaluate. If villain calls, then he most likely has an overpair or a set.