AA.. the reason I might play a loosing session.

Nogatsira · #1 07-30-2007, 08:02 AM

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (16 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (22 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 25 BB

Did I totaly overplay this? Where should I spare some bets (if I should hold back at any of these streets)

JJH3984 · #2 07-30-2007, 08:14 AM

No reads? The flop cap/turn lead seems pretty spewy to me. This might be a spot where you might want to just call the flop and pop a safe turn card. Your equity advantage is thin/non-existant here. The turn is an easy fold as played.

JavaNut · #3 07-30-2007, 08:24 AM

I'm with you up to and including your raise on the flop. After BB's 3 bet after 2 players cold-calls your raise on the flop, I think you've had it. An A is not necesarilly an out any longer.

Bona · #4 07-30-2007, 08:29 AM

Preflop is fine.
I don't cap the flop.
I check call behind on the turn with ~4 outs
Check/fold the river

JJH3984 · #5 07-30-2007, 09:20 AM

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I'm with you up to and including your raise on the flop. After BB's 3 bet after 2 players cold-calls your raise on the flop, I think you've had it. An A is not necesarilly an out any longer.

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What does the flop raise accomplish?

Sushiglutton · #6 07-30-2007, 09:28 AM

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The turn is an easy fold as played.

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We are getting 21:1 closing the action. We have two outs to the 'nuts', that is 23:1 agaisnt. We will easily make 2 extra bb on the river if we hit. If BTN has slowplayed a straight, or have 99/88 we have 4 outs. I think a fold is pretty terrible.

JJH3984 · #7 07-30-2007, 09:32 AM

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The turn is an easy fold as played.

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We are getting 21:1 closing the action. We have two outs to the 'nuts', that is 23:1 agaisnt. We will easily make 2 extra bb on the river if we hit. If BTN has slowplayed a straight, or have 99/88 we have 4 outs. I think a fold is pretty terrible.

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You're right. Don't fold the turn. The main point is that the flop raise is incorrect IMO. I think the flop merits discussion.

Edit: "Pretty terrible" is overstating it a bit considering we are always calling one more on the river. (So we don't really make two extra bets when we hit).

Landonfan · #8 07-30-2007, 09:33 AM

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I'm with you up to and including your raise on the flop. After BB's 3 bet after 2 players cold-calls your raise on the flop, I think you've had it. An A is not necesarilly an out any longer.

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What does the flop raise accomplish?

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After BB 3bet pf, called cap, then led flop, it looks like an overpair. I would think the flop raise would be to isolate. BB's flop 3-bet still looks like an overpair, and the two cold-callers in between look weak, too. I'd say just call BB's 3-bet, then raise a safe turn.

As played, it looks like your beat, but I still call down because the pot is massive.

Nogatsira · #9 07-30-2007, 09:38 AM

The reraising prefop was indeed to isolate the BB because he's playing the hand as if he's holding JJ, QQ, KK, A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and if I'm unlucky TT.
Other then TT I can't really put him on a hand that beats mine here.

JJH3984 · #10 07-30-2007, 09:44 AM

If you stove his range (TT-AA, AQs+, AQ) and other villian's ranges (this is why reads are important), I'd be somewhat surprised if you have a very large equity advantage. The pot's very big so its probably worth it to forgo a small advantage now to try to exploit a larger advantage and win this pot more often.