River fold with KK

[BrassMonkey]

Villian seems reasonable. Calling this seems silly, yea?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.66 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (12.66 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero folds.

[Municipal Hare]

NH.

[Absolution]

You realize you are significant underdog when he caps that flop right? Check call down and fold to any diamond or Q. Good river fold though.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

Turn bet is really bad. Just check/call down.

[Municipal Hare]

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You realize you are significant underdog when he caps that flop right? Check call down and fold to any diamond or Q.

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Check-calling down from the turn is a sensible line, but you're taking it a step too far. Hero remains the favourite after the flop cap when you count the number of AA, QQ, 44, 33 combos (assuming the latter two are even in his range), and folding to a river diamond after hitting the brakes on the turn would be horrendous.

[jstill]

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Turn bet is really bad. Just check/call down.

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I think there are villains betting is fine, but based on ur reasonable read this isnt one of them.

spewey villains who cap and take freecards with draws and made hands u mite want to bet the turn, those same ones u cant fold ot a raise against, but when u bet the turn vs someone reasonable and he still raises I think id fold there

[Cavok]

After his flopcap I just call down expecting to see AA or an overplayed AQ that also beats us.

The fold was probably correct but I rather use my two BB to go to showdown with KK HU when I think I might be behind.

[Absolution]

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You realize you are significant underdog when he caps that flop right? Check call down and fold to any diamond or Q.

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Check-calling down from the turn is a sensible line, but you're taking it a step too far. Hero remains the favourite after the flop cap when you count the number of AA, QQ, 44, 33 combos (assuming the latter two are even in his range), and folding to a river diamond after hitting the brakes on the turn would be horrendous.

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I'm confused by this logic. You are WB all of those hands you mentioned. The only other sensible hands from a reasonable player here are AKd, AQd and KK. Throw in some unreasonable ones if you like, but you're behind or tied with just about every hand he caps here.

[Municipal Hare]

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You realize you are significant underdog when he caps that flop right? Check call down and fold to any diamond or Q.

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Check-calling down from the turn is a sensible line, but you're taking it a step too far. Hero remains the favourite after the flop cap when you count the number of AA, QQ, 44, 33 combos (assuming the latter two are even in his range), and folding to a river diamond after hitting the brakes on the turn would be horrendous.

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I'm confused by this logic. You are WB all of those hands you mentioned. The only other sensible hands from a reasonable player here are AKd, AQd and KK. Throw in some unreasonable ones if you like, but you're behind or tied with just about every hand he caps here.

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I mention all the hands that beat KK because of how combinatorially few they are. It's hardly unreasonable to expect any of the 12 AQ combos or even 6 KQ combos to cap the flop. To say nothing of overplayed nut flush draws. Against most 4-handed opponents, KK is hovering around even money or better going into the turn. (That doesn't mean you should bet it.)

[bobhalford]

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You realize you are significant underdog when he caps that flop right? Check call down and fold to any diamond or Q.

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Check-calling down from the turn is a sensible line, but you're taking it a step too far. Hero remains the favourite after the flop cap when you count the number of AA, QQ, 44, 33 combos (assuming the latter two are even in his range), and folding to a river diamond after hitting the brakes on the turn would be horrendous.

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I'm confused by this logic. You are WB all of those hands you mentioned. The only other sensible hands from a reasonable player here are AKd, AQd and KK. Throw in some unreasonable ones if you like, but you're behind or tied with just about every hand he caps here.

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AKd is taken. The only flush draws he can have are AQd or ATd (which owns you on the river if you fold). The only other logical hand you tie/beat is KK. So that's 3 hands and you beat one of them.