$11 TP OESD vs two trappy players

[rhettoric]

BB and UTG are both trappy players who like to limp/call with big PP

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
5 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t4715
CO: t1270
Button: t2100
Hero: t1485
BB: t3930

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, CO calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t125)</font>, Button folds, Hero calls t25 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t175)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t200, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t200, 4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets t165</font>, CO folds, Hero calls t165 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t365)</font>, BB calls t165 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t530)</font>.

River: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t695, 3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets t300</font>, Hero folds, BB folds.
Uncalled bets: t300 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: t695

[Takeover_inc]

I think i would of put out a bet on the flop. maybe 150-170 just to see how everyone reacted.

If everyone folds great, but if someone calls have more information to go off of. You do have a weak top pair and a oesd, so this is a decent spot to value bet your pair, or if someone calls and is ahead you may improve your hand on the turn. If you bet into them and someone raises big, the time to fold.

Either way you play the hand (as played, or flop bet) you use the same amount of chips. The difference is you force the other players to react to you, and not you reacting to them.

But as played really isn't all that bad. but i like a bet on the flop.

[Little John]

i'd fold this preflop.

as played, looks ok. i like a chehck/call on the flop becasue it keeps the pot small and give you a chance to improve without going broke.

[rhettoric]

John, that's really a fold? The BB had not yet raised PF, even with QQ and AKs twice. I think the chance of him raising if I limp was perhaps 5%. 7 to 1 isn't worth a call hoping to flop oesd, two pair etc.?

[Little John]

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John, that's really a fold? The BB had not yet raised PF, even with QQ and AKs twice. I think the chance of him raising if I limp was perhaps 5%. 7 to 1 isn't worth a call hoping to flop oesd, two pair etc.?

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idk, 54o is pretty bad. i fold, but calling is not probably too bad. see what others say.

[PokerSpiv]

The problem with betting this flop is that at the 11s, anyone with an ace is calling with their gutshot draw. So you are very rarely going to win it with a bet.

If they call, you haven't really gained any information, because they could have literally anything from a set, a made straight, to as little as KQo overcards.

If they raise you pretty much have to fold.

Check/calling a smallish bet is really your only option here. Your hand is nice, but you are never going to win a huge pot with it, because your straight will be a 1-carder if it comes, and even the biggest morons know when they are beat by a 1-card straight.