Taking stabs at pots from the BB

[dctufts]

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
9 players
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Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
5 folds, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3SB, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc3333">CO bets</font>, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 2.5BB

im wondering if it would be +EV to take routine stabs at flops like this with an A high when no one seems to be interested. any thoughts?

[MrWookie]

4 ways, usually not. 3 handed, I do fairly often.

[Niediam]

Listen to the Wookie. In addition, you are far more likely to succeed with the flop is something like T33r as opposed to the flop in your hand.

[marchron]

I find it's often easier to win with trips as opposed to Ace-high. But that wasn't OP's question.

[Niediam]

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I find it's often easier to win with trips as opposed to Ace-high. But that wasn't OP's question.

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I personally have never lost with a Royal Flush. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'm not sure what your point is though...

[El Viajero]

You are roughly 15/1 to land an ace on the river, the pot is offering you 5/1.

I say not a chance unless you have reads on the other players that tell you otherwise.

[dctufts]

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You are roughly 15/1 to land an ace on the river, the pot is offering you 5/1.

I say not a chance unless you have reads on the other players that tell you otherwise.

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obviously, a SD is not what im aiming at in cases like these

[Agthorr]

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im wondering if it would be +EV to take routine stabs at flops like this with an A high when no one seems to be interested. any thoughts?

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Yes, unless one of the players has a very high WTSD %.

Open-limping (instead of open-raising) from the CO and completing the SB show a lot of weakness. Your fold equity here is only very slightly +EV. The fact that there's even a small chance you'll win even if they don't fold makes it clearly +EV.

Just be careful not to get carried away if your bluff fails. You can get into a lot of trouble on fourth and fifth street (unimproved) if they call your flop bet, and you should probably tend to check-fold there until you're confident that you know how to bet/call there without hemorraging money. Don't get overconfident if you manage to improve to a pair of 3's, either.

Also, don't automatically make this play just because you only have one or two opponents. It's +EV when they appear weak (which also means you can make it more often the later you are to act).

If you find this situation happens often, pay close attention to how your opponents play against you. Against calling stations your fold equity is basically zero, but it's more likely Ace-high will win (assuming you at least manage to make it heads-up). You have to figure out what their call-down standards are, though.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

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I find it's often easier to win with trips as opposed to Ace-high. But that wasn't OP's question.

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I personally have never lost with a Royal Flush. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] I'm not sure what your point is though...

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re read what you wrote.

and yeah it is often worth betting here. the guy you need a read on is the player behind you.

if SB peels one off on the flop and you can play the rest of the hand with position your in good shape and probably slightly ahead to his draw.

however playing the turn out of position if the other player is a call station is very difficult, so you wanna be sure he can fold a hand like 66 or KJ on this flop.

[ackid]

Bet that flop.