find fold with JJ in reraised pot?

[schwza]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($866.75)
BB ($243.75)
UTG ($496.50)
MP ($722.20)
Hero ($400)
Button ($1000.90)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $56</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $40.

Flop: ($118) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $108</font>, Hero calls $108.

Turn: ($334) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($334) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $836.9 (All-In)</font>, hero?

i have 236 left. my standard here is crai on flop but i didn't see many worse hands calling.

villain is decent reg, reasonably aggro and definitely no nit.

[delta k]

what about bet/folding flop? c/c is bad i think since with no real draws (save 67) our hand is what it is. and we can't c/r because again, it's so dry that we either have a set, lower PP, or air.

[Redgrape]

lol shove the flop

[Praetor]

bet fold flop sucks imo, i would only lead this flop if I thought it would induce a bluff shove

[delta k]

ok these spots give me a ton of trouble, but what should we be trying to do here? this flop is so dry that our call defines our hand as a PP like always, no? and what worse hand calls our c/r?

[Phresh]

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and what worse hand calls our c/r?

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This is not the only critera for CRAI on flop. Even if he never calls with worse it's still a value shove and def. can be +EV.

[schwza]

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and what worse hand calls our c/r?

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This is not the only critera for CRAI on flop. Even if he never calls with worse it's still a value shove and def. can be +EV.

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it's true but it gets less likely that it's more +EV than c/c.

[Melchiades]

Well his AQ just owned you. Check/Shove flop.

[jfish]

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i have 236 left. my standard here is crai on flop but i didn't see many worse hands calling.

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the pot is very big, you are oop and you have about 2/3 psb left. just c/r flop.

[jackflashdrive]

Even if villain saw your cards he would almost be getting odds to call a flop CRAI with AK/AQ (236 pays 800 and hits 1 in 4). Combine that with (1) the fact that you might occasionally be bluffing and (2) meta-game, and villain would be making a mistake to fold AK/AQ here (after he prices himself in with flop bet).

On your river I c/f most of the time. I'd c/c turn most of the time.