Is there really any value in calling here?

[Fiksdal]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $45.50
BB: $39.30
UTG: $49.25
CO: $36.05
Hero (BTN): $66.70

Reads: <font color="blue">CO is 60/35/3 predicatable spewtard.

BB doesn't like raising, 47/7/2.7 over only 17 hands though.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $6.50</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">BB raises to $11.25</font>, CO folds, Hero calls $4.75

What is the point of calling here? We can't continue on any flops without a 9 IMO, and I'd also be kinda scared of a A9x flop to be honest.

[monkeymaps]

17 hands is such a small sample size but I mean AK has to be in his 4betting range to make it anything other than silly to continue on a board that does not contain a 9 IMO.

People dont 4 bet AK much IMO so yeah flop needs a nine.
if flop is A9 i prob stack off

[Fiksdal]

Is calling for set value here +EV?

[kitchma]

Fold. Most villains' 4-bet range is pretty tight, especially multi-way. We are most likely up against an overpair and villain only has 80BB's. Also, more often then not, villain is going to lead out on the flop. On the flop the pot will be ~$25 with effective remaining stacks of $28. Calling any bet at this point will committ us to the pot, so we can't plan on calling a flop bet and reevaluating on the turn. You really have to make your committment decision PF. I think fold.

[vixticator]

$4.75 to win $52.55 (pot + bb's stack size)... looks +EV to me unless my math is screwy.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

[ QUOTE ]
Is calling for set value here +EV?

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You are 8:1 to hit your set on the flop, correct? That means out of nine times, you will hit your set once if you call.

1 time you will hit your set
8 times you won't

Those 8 times, you lose 4.75 each time for a total of $38.

That means that on the ninth time, you need to make $38 to break even.

Assuming that you have the best hand if you flop a set:

There is already 19.50 in the pot, so you are guaranteed that much. Then you need to make about 20 more dollars, which is about 2/3 of the opponent's remaining stack.

So you need to stack your opponent 2/3 of the time that you hit your set.

This is oversimplifying things, but you need to stack your opponent most of the time that you hit your set.

I guess it depends on the player and the hand you put him on. Seems like a borderline call

[robinmbuk]

[ QUOTE ]
Is calling for set value here +EV?

[/ QUOTE ] No villian's stack's a bit small for that. If you both had $100 then yes.

[skiller3]

It's real borderline. Call for metagame purposes.

[Fiksdal]

Guys, remember that we don't gain villains entire stack every time we flop a set. We gain 90% equity on it. And who knows, maybe some portion of the time villain has AK or misclicked with something random and we don't stack him when we hit. Or villain has QQ and the flop comes K9x or A9x and he somehow gets away. Get my drift?

[BackdoorQuads]

Anyone just call the CO raise?