$114: pot odds and crappy hands

darinvg · #1 07-25-2007, 08:29 AM

We have a horrible hand but we're getting pretty good odds w/ the antes.
Where do we draw the line?
If we only have 1200 before posting?
Less than 2BBs?
Do we just wait for "good" cards?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t200/t400
(Ante: t25)
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1790
UTG+1: t1025
CO: t3480
Button: t3020
SB: t2685
Hero: t1500

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises all-in t2995</font>, SB folds, Hero

geo8o2 · #2 07-25-2007, 08:36 AM

i call if it's 100/200 25 ante with 750 chips. but that's not really the question here is it

LeChuck · #3 07-25-2007, 08:39 AM

i think its not a question of pot odds its a question of icm and so its a clear fold isnt it?

Little John · #4 07-25-2007, 08:41 AM

in game i call just so someone can say "nice cards" and tell me how stupid i am.

you need 32% for neutral chipEV. if button shoves anywhere from 30-60% you are right about 30%. so fold is probably best but a call is not that bad.

ryanghall · #5 07-25-2007, 09:16 AM

I'd certainly fold here.

Ryan

darinvg · #6 07-25-2007, 09:19 AM

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I'd certainly fold here.

Ryan

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Yes, I folded here but wanted an example to get some discussion of when we have to call w/ horrible cards. Thoughts?

ryanghall · #7 07-25-2007, 09:22 AM

With a hand like this in a situation like this you'd need to be getting a lot better than 2:1 for sure.

Ryan

Little John · #8 07-25-2007, 09:30 AM

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With a hand like this in a situation like this you'd need to be getting a lot better than 2:1 for sure.

Ryan

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2.5:1 is my general range with 32o in this spot. Seem about right? That is like 28.6%.