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07-24-2007, 04:34 PM
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NL 100: draw oop against big pair
Im playing 18/13/6 over 75 hands at the table and the main villian is a very nitty player preflop but uses decent agression post flop (his exact stats are 14/7/3.4 450 hands). He seems like the type of player that only 3 bets with AA/KK. So when I flat call preflop if i hit 2 pair + i lead he raises and i ship it lol but this hand threw me off. I know this guy has over pair (like 99.9% sure hes on aa or kk) so when I check im ready to give up hand but then i think if he can lay down big pair on this board even 30% of the time a raise is definitly +ev given my draws against an over pair.
So what lines do people like here? mainly who raise (and what amount) and who folds here? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) UTG ($161.30) Hero ($172.65) MP1 ($151.35) MP2 ($51.35) MP3 ($99) CO ($98.50) Button ($100) SB ($94.10) BB ($100) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $13</font>, MP2 calls $13, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls $9. Flop: ($40.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $26</font>, MP2 folds, Hero? 
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#2
07-24-2007, 04:44 PM
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Re: NL 100: draw oop against big pair
A call is not awfull. You can sometimes extract when you hit.
I like a c/rAI here with 100bb effective stack but you are too deep. I would have bet/3betAI given the stack size (with a br that can handdle the variance). I suppose that he can lay down KK most of the time and sometimes AA. By the way you shouldn't call preflop.
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07-24-2007, 05:10 PM
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Re: NL 100: draw oop against big pair
I peel one time. Preflop is def. standard.
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#5
07-24-2007, 05:23 PM
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Re: NL 100: draw oop against big pair
If you are going to continue you on the with the hand, I think the following line wil maximize our chances to get him to fold an overpair....
C/C flop, and then open shove any non A or K turn... This is assuming we don't improve on the turn, if we improve on the turn, Im not sure what I like... It really all depends on how we improve. But I obv. don't like the shove anymore...
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#7
07-24-2007, 05:28 PM
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Re: NL 100: draw oop against big pair
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If you are going to continue you on the with the hand, I think the following line wil maximize our chances to get him to fold an overpair.... C/C flop, and then open shove any non A or K turn... This is assuming we don't improve on the turn, if we improve on the turn, Im not sure what I like... It really all depends on how we improve. But I obv. don't like the shove anymore... [/ QUOTE ] I take this line too.
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#9
07-24-2007, 05:34 PM
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Re: NL 100: draw oop against big pair
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Preflop is def. standard. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree I think its pretty ugly [/ QUOTE ] They are 150bb deep so its not as bad. [/ QUOTE ] outside of a straight/flush/trips you rarely are far ahead, an overpair is drawing very live vs 2pr my math sucks but I believe flopping trips+ is like 3% of the time or so, 2pr another ~2% so like 5% of the time you are way ahead, usually way behind to coinflipping OOP you probably won't get 150bb in on straight or trip boards, and the times the money goes in when you hit a flush he usually has a 7out draw twice, honestly there aren't that many good spots
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