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Old 07-24-2007, 11:00 AM
Kimpan Kimpan is offline
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Default QQ against massive donk

opponent is 72/36/1.6 over 47 hands and he has a fold to cb of 0% over this samplesize.
Don't really know how to play this, he will call with worse hands if I bet but I wont be able to fire a 2nd barrel on the turn and he will bet out and take it down..?
I call the flop and fold the turn. The turn doesn't change anything but I feel it's quite possible he just took a stab at the flop after I had shown weakness.
I could c/r the flop?
thoughts?

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $279.55
BB: $200.00
UTG: $186.60
CO: $150.05
BTN: $234.24

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, CO calls $2.00, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $10.00</font>, BB folds, CO calls $8.00

Flop: ($22) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $12.00</font>, Hero calls $12.00

Turn: ($46) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $30.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $76.00
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

cbet flop for value
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:04 AM
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

I cbet the flop.

Edit: Read the hand wrong, thought we were IP.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

Check-call-lead-turn may be viable.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

he calls and turn is brick.. now what? If I check to him, he will most def make a bet.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:06 AM
Fousekis Fousekis is offline
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

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Check-call-lead-turn may be viable.

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Unless you check raise the flop, checking shows weakness that this donk will take advantage of.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

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he calls and turn is brick.. now what? If I check to him, he will most def make a bet.

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You bet again since he has 0% cb folding stats.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

I would call the turn bet as well, fold to a real river bet.

I think a lot of lines work in this spot. Bet flop, bet or ck/cl turn. ck/cl flop, donk turn. Against somoene who seems this loose, I probably try hard to get to showdown.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:09 AM
Fousekis Fousekis is offline
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

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I would call the turn bet as well, fold to a real river bet.

I think a lot of lines work in this spot. Bet flop, bet or ck/cl turn. ck/cl flop, donk turn. Against somoene who seems this loose, I probably try hard to get to showdown.

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Against this type of maniacs if you cbet the flop you have to be prepared to bet the turn (assuming the turn card was relatively safe) as well.

Since you are OOP, you cbet, bet turn and give up on river if you don't improve or he bets a serious amount.

If you were IP I'd check behind on the flop to keep the pot small and be able to call his turn and river bets.
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Old 07-24-2007, 11:09 AM
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Default Re: QQ against massive donk

OOP I usually just lead out here and give up if he calls. When you check and villain bets you have no idea where you are at. IP I often check because at worst you will only have to call two bets.

Why would you want to c/r the flop and turn your hand in to a bluff?

edit: Didn't see he was a super-donk. In that case I bet the turn again.
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