NL50 - Pre-flop vs shorty 4-bet

infinite_loop · #1 07-23-2007, 05:02 AM

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $122.90
BB: $28.50
UTG: $49.25
MP: $110.80
CO: $50.50
Hero (BTN): $121.35

Reads: Original raiser is raising like 60% and plays very poorly post-flop. No reads on 4-better. They bought in short and only I only had 7 hands with them. 

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $6.00, SB folds, BB raises to $12.00, MP folds

Call or fold pre? We're probably behind. Is it even worth it?

prodonkey · #2 07-23-2007, 05:08 AM

I'd 5 bet shove all in.. he's squeezing.

monkover · #3 07-23-2007, 05:10 AM

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I'd 5 bet shove all in.. he's squeezing.

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michaelantoi · #4 07-23-2007, 05:17 AM

Are you guys levelling?

He cant have AA/KK/QQ Ak?

monkover · #5 07-23-2007, 05:18 AM

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Are you guys levelling?

He cant have AA/KK/QQ Ak?

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villain has been rasing 60% of all hands. nut of course he could have it this time. his range is way wider though.

prodonkey · #6 07-23-2007, 05:19 AM

I just wanted to say something different besides fold preflop to one of his threads.

infinite_loop · #7 07-23-2007, 05:19 AM

Maybe I need to edit the post. Original raiser is raising 60% which is why made the 3-bet. 4-better is unknown.

infinite_loop · #8 07-23-2007, 05:26 AM

We're getting 3.4:1 on the call with 16.50 left in his stack.

prodonkey · #9 07-23-2007, 05:32 AM

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Maybe I need to edit the post. Original raiser is raising 60% which is why made the 3-bet. 4-better is unknown.

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You don't fight maniacs with more agression.. that plays right into their game. I'm still folding this preflop, but I think a call would be much better than a 3 bet.

infinite_loop · #10 07-23-2007, 05:38 AM

The 3-bet is super standard I think. He was opening lots of hands, but wasn't ever 4-betting and had folded to many 3-bets. And when he calls we have a decent pot to play with in position against a horrible post-flop player. He was calling PSBs with weak gutshots.