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Old 07-22-2007, 11:24 AM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default AA vs utg raise/call from tag

Villain is 19.1/9.9/4.09 after 600 hands. My notes on him are: calls down a turn float with A-hi.
flat calls with AA in blinds to btn raise.

He insta-called the pf 3bet.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $198.00
BB: $200.00
UTG: $202.00
MP: $59.30
CO: $388.05
BTN: $177.58

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $8.00</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $26.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $18.00

Flop: ($54) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($54) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $32.00</font>, <font color="red">UTG raises to $64.00</font>, Hero calls $32.00

River: ($182) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">UTG bets all-in for $112.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $294.00
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Old 07-22-2007, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

What are you doing checking the flop. What are you doing bet / calling the turn. What are you doing in this hand?
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Old 07-22-2007, 11:36 AM
Wolfram Wolfram is offline
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

Please explain why checking the flop is bad. To me it seems like I'm either way ahead or way behind. The only hand that I can get value from by betting is AK.

I bet the turn because I don't want to give a single club a free card to win the pot. I probably shouldn't call the min-raise but I figured there was a small chance he was slowplaying AK and would give up on the river or that he had KQ and then I have outs to call.
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Old 07-22-2007, 11:44 AM
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

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My notes on him are: calls down a turn float with A-hi.

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The only hand that I can get value from by betting is AK.

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Bet the flop.
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Old 07-22-2007, 11:55 AM
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

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My notes on him are: calls down a turn float with A-hi.

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The only hand that I can get value from by betting is AK.

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Bet the flop.

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That note is irrelevant because this is a 3bet pot.
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:00 PM
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

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My notes on him are: calls down a turn float with A-hi.

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The only hand that I can get value from by betting is AK.

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Bet the flop.

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That note is irrelevant because this is a 3bet pot.

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then why post it?

just bet the flop. the pot is big, and you are OOP against somebody who is at least selective in the hands he plays. you will stack AK like 100% of the time and also get action from a FD.

oh and yeah you will prevent yourself from making a mistake on the turn or river [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

i usually bet/call the flop. however, i think that calling the turn to fold this river (when I guess only JT got there), is not good. i would call the river.
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

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My notes on him are: calls down a turn float with A-hi.

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The only hand that I can get value from by betting is AK.

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Bet the flop.

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That note is irrelevant because this is a 3bet pot.

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then why post it?


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I always post my complete notes on a player. It can help even if it isn't directly related to the current situation.

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just bet the flop. the pot is big, and you are OOP against somebody who is at least selective in the hands he plays. you will stack AK like 100% of the time and also get action from a FD.

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I like this reasoning (big pot). So we're basically always getting stacked here by KK/QQ?
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:09 PM
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

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My notes on him are: calls down a turn float with A-hi.

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The only hand that I can get value from by betting is AK.

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Bet the flop.

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That note is irrelevant because this is a 3bet pot.

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then why post it?


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I always post my complete notes on a player. It can help even if it isn't directly related to the current situation.


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I the note can help, is it irrelevant?
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Old 07-22-2007, 12:14 PM
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Default Re: AA vs utg raise/call from tag

Would you guys please stop splitting hairs over the note!

Saying that I should bet the flop because he once (correctly) called a turn bluff by me with ace high is fallacious. The two situations are not comparable (it wasn't a 3bet pot and I wasn't the pf aggressor)

However, knowing that he's able to make plays like that could possibly help with the decision making.
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