3 flop decisions

calidris · #1 07-21-2007, 01:05 PM

Three flop decisions from the recent session review where opinions differ. Some input from the crowd regarding what to do and why would be appreciated.

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HAND 1:
MP2 is VPIP 38.6/2.63/1.74 over ~100 hands
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 4 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero ?

HAND 2:
SB is 21/1.43/1.44 over ~200 hands
BB is 25/1.75/0.26 over ~100 hands
MP2 is basically unknown but has a LAG feeling to his play after 50 hands
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. MP2 posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 (poster) calls, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero ?

HAND 3:
MP1 is basically unknown but has a LAG feeling to his play after 50 hands
MP2 is basically unknown but has a LAG feeling to his play after 50 hands
MP3 is basically unknown but has a LP feeling to his play after 50 hands
Preflop: Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero 3-bets, 3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero ?

marchron · #2 07-21-2007, 01:14 PM

1. Fold.
2. Bet.
3. Fold.

kerowo · #3 07-21-2007, 01:18 PM

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1. Fold.
2. Bet.
3. Fold.

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1. Pot is small, 2nd pair is vulnerable, and pot is small.
2. Standard c-bet.
3. What hands do people call raises with? Hands with Aces and Kings in them. You most likely have 2 outs. Folds happen.

Aaron W. · #4 07-21-2007, 01:19 PM

1. You already ruined it by checking instead of betting. As played, reads matter a huge amount. Check-raising is probably okay against this player because his AF is large enough that he might be betting ATC because you checked to him.

2. Insta-bet

3. Insta-muck

calidris · #5 07-21-2007, 01:26 PM

Bummer, hand 1 should have stopped before my first check. Reason I checked was that I didn't want to get into a bet, call, bet, call situation with a loose player in a small pot with nothing on my hands.

calidris · #6 07-21-2007, 02:21 PM

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2. Insta-bet

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I can't wrap my thick head around this although it obviously seems to be the preferred continuation. Why is this an insta cbet in the middle of 3 opponents when all I have are 2 overs? I need to understand this.

Aaron W. · #7 07-21-2007, 02:53 PM

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2. Insta-bet

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I can't wrap my thick head around this although it obviously seems to be the preferred continuation. Why is this an insta cbet in the middle of 3 opponents when all I have are 2 overs? I need to understand this.

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This should help:

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SB checks, BB checks

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Edit: Also this:

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Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

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kerowo · #8 07-21-2007, 02:53 PM

Because the people who called your PFR don't know which two overs you have.

marchron · #9 07-22-2007, 01:41 AM

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2. Insta-bet

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I can't wrap my thick head around this although it obviously seems to be the preferred continuation. Why is this an insta cbet in the middle of 3 opponents when all I have are 2 overs? I need to understand this.

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Unimproved AK is likelier to be the best hand on a paired board, simply because there's five cards in the deck that connect with the flop instead of nine. Betting gets lesser unimproved non-pair hands to fold a potential 6-out draw, and may even fold out a hand that's currently beating you, like 22.

sharpie · #10 07-22-2007, 02:00 AM

1) Without more of a read I'd check/call and plan on showing down most cards, let him barrel off.
2) Bet the flop and take it from there.
3) Easy fold.