Overbetting?

[rudd4y]

hey bit of a noob question, but in what situation, if any, should you overbet the pot i never do but wondered if it is used just to not fall into a routine. am rly talking about situations other than pushing the flop with a combo draw. any comments welcome

[michaelantoi]

Good question. Maybe something like a multiway pot with top set on a draw-heavy board.

I would push if there is a raise and a r/r in front of me.
Not sure if that is an overbet though.

[Jzo19]

with the nuts and ur sure a player wont fold a second best hand

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $48.50
BB: $54.35
UTG: $86.70
MP: $54.30
CO: $66.05
BTN: $60.90

Preflop: Hero is dealt T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($2) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $0.50</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $1.50

Turn: ($6) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, UTG calls $3.50

River: ($13) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets all-in for $42.50</font>, UTG calls $42.50

Pot Size: $98.00 ($3 Rake)

UTG had K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Jacks) and LOST (-$48.50)
Hero had T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Jacks full of Tens) and WON (+$46.50)

[michaelantoi]

I'm not sure if I like this play to be honest. Putting him on the lone J is pretty thin.

Sure if I know he has a J i'm shoving, but how can we be sure.
I would honestly prefer to be for value here instead of shoving and losing $9 (or so) worth of value.

[Jzo19]

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I'm not sure if I like this play to be honest. Putting him on the lone J is pretty thin.

Sure if I know he has a J i'm shoving, but how can we be sure.
I would honestly prefer to be for value here instead of shoving and losing $9 (or so) worth of value.

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only other hands i can see him calling flop raise and turn bet would be a set (which probably would have RR) , KQ and a J not much else..i was like 90 percent sure he has a J tho

[Capone]

good question i thinkt he example above was well played if you were sure he had a J.

[michaelantoi]

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I'm not sure if I like this play to be honest. Putting him on the lone J is pretty thin.

Sure if I know he has a J i'm shoving, but how can we be sure.
I would honestly prefer to be for value here instead of shoving and losing $9 (or so) worth of value.

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only other i can see him calling flop and turn would be a set , KQ and a J not much else..i was like 90 percent sure he has a J tho

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AQ?
A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (or even just any QT if he's loose)

Maybe OESD. Some middle pairs with strong kickers.

He may have floated and redrawn the flush draw on the turn. Villain has a wide range here IMO.

[Jzo19]

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I'm not sure if I like this play to be honest. Putting him on the lone J is pretty thin.

Sure if I know he has a J i'm shoving, but how can we be sure.
I would honestly prefer to be for value here instead of shoving and losing $9 (or so) worth of value.

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only other i can see him calling flop and turn would be a set , KQ and a J not much else..i was like 90 percent sure he has a J tho

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AQ?
A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (or even just any QT if he's loose)

Maybe OESD. Some middle pairs with strong kickers.

He may have floated and redrawn the flush draw on the turn. Villain has a wide range here IMO.

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this villain would have raised PF with AQ or AK..and no i dont think he has that wide of a range ...and im not getting any value anywayz from hands like QK , busted str8 draws/flsh draws and such ... his line is usually TPGK IMO..

[Khaos4k]

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I'm not sure if I like this play to be honest. Putting him on the lone J is pretty thin.

Sure if I know he has a J i'm shoving, but how can we be sure.
I would honestly prefer to be for value here instead of shoving and losing $9 (or so) worth of value.

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What does he call for $9 that he doesn't call for a push?

[michaelantoi]

Specific read/stats on villain?

I've seen many times villain just call with AQ/AK on the button. Many passive nits out there (especially on FTP).

Read-dependant ofcourse, but villain could be on such a range:

9T
QK
AK
AQ
QT
KT
QQ (he may repop this but i've seen this played very passively)