Question on OESD

[rjacobs003]

Do we always have enough equity to follow 2 all-in's with an OESD on a rainbow flop regardless of whether we think we're ahead or not?

e.g. KcQs on JhTd4c

How about, JhTd on KcQs4c

or KcTd on QsJh4c board....you get the idea

[Jouster777]

No

[Capone]

Of course not.

[Gigglegirl]

It depends on what sort of ranges you can come up with for Villains.
Your first example looks your mostly likely one to call with as you have 2 overcards in addition to your OESD which MAY give you 6 additional possible outs.
If you were up against 2 Villains with TPTK in this situation, your call is very much +EV.
But if you're up against 2 pair and a set you're -EV in calling.
As I say, just play around with ranges and stove them.

[Khaos4k]

OESFD yes. OESD no. 2 all ins likely means two strong hands. Even if villains both have TPTP/TPGK we don't have the 33% equity we need.

Board: Qs Kd 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 69.444% 69.17% 00.28% 44970 180.00 { KQs, KQo }
Hand 1: 02.655% 02.38% 00.28% 1546 180.00 { AKs, AKo }
Hand 2: 27.901% 27.90% 00.00% 18140 0.00 { JhTd }

However, with the OESFD we have more than 33% equity and can thus make a call profitably, even against sets. Assuming two made hands.

Board: Qd Kd 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.945% 49.94% 00.00% 4059 0.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 04.319% 04.32% 00.00% 351 0.00 { 44 }
Hand 2: 45.736% 45.74% 00.00% 3717 0.00 { JdTd }

[rjacobs003]

Thanks guys. Very useful feedback

[reidardahlen]

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OESFD yes. OESD no. 2 all ins likely means two strong hands. Even if villains both have TPTP/TPGK we don't have the 33% equity we need.

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No, you don´t always have the odds for calling 2 allins with an OESFD. If one of your opponents has a higher flush draw, it might look like this:

Board: Qd Kd 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 21.595% 21.59% 00.00% 585 0.00 { JdTd }
Hand 1: 18.051% 18.05% 00.00% 489 0.00 { Ad2d }
Hand 2: 60.354% 60.35% 00.00% 1635 0.00 { KK }

Even if the other opponent just has a hand like TP, you might not have odds to call:

Board: Qd Kd 4c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.924% 22.92% 00.00% 1863 0.00 { JdTd }
Hand 1: 26.947% 26.46% 00.49% 2150 40.00 { Ad2d }
Hand 2: 50.129% 49.64% 00.49% 4034 40.00 { AKs, AKo }

But still, play your OESFD:s fast.