2/4 NL --- [censored] weird 4 bet pot river shove...

[tcorbin16]

Villian is mynameisbusto a tag guy. co is liek tiltybboy or somethin. both are tags, my image should be tag as well. i 4 bet pre cuz tilty's 3 bet looked like he was FOS.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $598.80
BB: $422.70
UTG: $343.30
MP: $581.00
CO: $428.00
BTN: $600.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $36.00</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $111.00</font>, BB folds, MP calls $97.00, CO calls $75.00

Flop: ($337) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($337) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

River: ($337) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $177.00</font>, <font color="red">MP raises all-in to $470.00</font>, CO folds, Hero ...?

293 more to call... i dont see what i am losing to because wouldnt he have bet AA/KK on earlier street. I don't think he coldcalls a 4 bet either with anything that could be a set.

Thoughts on the possible call? my hand is def underrepped but would he shove into me and another guy with worse??? can we be chopping?

[wheelflush]

that's why you bet the flop, bet the turn, anything. my god, horrible. just call. win or lose, you earned it.

[tcorbin16]

why bet the flop when someone coldcalled a 4 bet and then a TAG 3 better called the 4bet. what the hell do you expect to get value from?

[Praetor]

i bet the turn. flop check is fine

as played ewwwww, i think i would call just because we look really weak but idk

[tcorbin16]

praetor say one of them shoves when u bet the turn? call tilty but fold to the coldcaller of 4 bet??

[ggbman]

Mp is esentially UTG+1 in a 6 handed game, and the CO made a smallish repop on his open, and they are both tags. Why/how does that seem to be a FOS type 3 bet to you? i don't know how much value there is in preflop...

Also, MP didn't cold call a 4 bet since since he was the original raiser... it should still mean a strong hand, but it's much different than someone actually cold calling your 4 bet. As played, i like your flop check on this board, but you definitley need to bet the turn IMO. Hands that don't bet that flop either

a.) have showdown value and don't want to put in their stacks
b.) don't think they can win the pot by bluffing, which means they will not fire at this turn
c.) are exactly KKK which also wanted to give a free card, which isn't enough of the time for you to check this turn

Given how you got here though, i think you can fold unless they think you are nuts. I don't know what he has here, but unless they think you are loopy they shouldn't think you value bet QQ here, so your 4 bet PF and bet on this river should not really be bluffed all that often IMO.

[DJ Sensei]

i'd check/call the river i think. and i expect you're chopping here much of the time as played.

but its not entirely unreasonable for him to slowplay AA all the way on this board.

or, of course, the case KK

[trplthrt]

Gawd I hate the check check

I am pretty much always betting the flop here

[mike0292]

tiltyboy was playing 200/400 earlier this week, get it in on the floop

[tcorbin16]

if it was tilty and i hu to the flop i woulda bet/called flop. since the pot was 3 way i was like [censored]... i am prob not good here but i still might be.

only reason i bet river was to get value from some random hand.. maybe KQ, QQ JJ?? who knows.

to all that say bet the flop, do i get it in vs mynameisbusto (pfr) (TAG)? if he shoves over my cbet?

also my bad tiltyboy was like 26/20 i am on drugs.