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Old 07-19-2007, 03:35 AM
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Default $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

What range do we need to call/shove all in here? No reads on villains..

PokerStars Game #11014955131: Tournament #55433864, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (2500/5000) - 2007/07/19 - 01:31:43 (ET)
Table '55433864 6' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: BKiCe (129448 in chips)
Seat 2: TMG101 (99400 in chips)
Seat 3: thewh00sel (49644 in chips)
Seat 4: bl0wback (147582 in chips)
Seat 5: 1GIO (81696 in chips)
Seat 6: SCTrojans (27676 in chips)
Seat 7: DPainter (58416 in chips)
Seat 9: ErickW23 (341719 in chips)
BKiCe: posts the ante 500
TMG101: posts the ante 500
thewh00sel: posts the ante 500
bl0wback: posts the ante 500
1GIO: posts the ante 500
SCTrojans: posts the ante 500
DPainter: posts the ante 500
ErickW23: posts the ante 500
ErickW23: posts small blind 2500
BKiCe: posts big blind 5000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
TMG101: folds
thewh00sel: raises 44144 to 49144 and is all-in
bl0wback: folds
1GIO: folds
SCTrojans: folds
DPainter: raises 8772 to 57916 and is all-in
ErickW23: raises 44144 to 102060
BKiCe: ???
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:02 AM
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Default Re: $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

AA+
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:08 AM
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Default Re: $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

QQ+
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Old 07-19-2007, 04:33 AM
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Default Re: $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

AA

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.150% 33.73% 01.42% 13110029757 552518567.67 { KK }
Hand 1: 15.780% 15.14% 00.64% 5883634270 249790513.33 { 77+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 21.203% 20.02% 01.18% 7781489961 459995458.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 27.867% 25.86% 02.00% 10052791583 779062218.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

even with KK you have a probability of 33% to drop out - and it's highly likely that someone has AA here.
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Old 07-19-2007, 05:22 PM
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Default Re: $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

Why is it so highly likely someone has AA,KK here?

The initial shover has an M of like 4.5, 2nd shover's M is like 5.2 and the raiser is the big stack. These are the ranges I used.

thewh00sel: 22+,A8s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A8o+,K9o+,QTo+,JTo
Dpainter: 77+,AQo+,AQs+
ErickW123: TT+,AKs,AKo
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

KK+
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:49 PM
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Default Re: $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

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AA

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.150% 33.73% 01.42% 13110029757 552518567.67 { KK }
Hand 1: 15.780% 15.14% 00.64% 5883634270 249790513.33 { 77+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 21.203% 20.02% 01.18% 7781489961 459995458.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 27.867% 25.86% 02.00% 10052791583 779062218.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }

even with KK you have a probability of 33% to drop out - and it's highly likely that someone has AA here.

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what do you mean a 33% to drop out?
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Old 07-19-2007, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

I'd muck QQ/AK and I'm a retard.
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Old 07-20-2007, 06:10 AM
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 35.150% 33.73% 01.42% 13110029757 552518567.67 { KK }
Hand 1: 15.780% 15.14% 00.64% 5883634270 249790513.33 { 77+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 2: 21.203% 20.02% 01.18% 7781489961 459995458.00 { TT+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 3: 27.867% 25.86% 02.00% 10052791583 779062218.00 { QQ+, AKs, AKo }



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==> Very easy call with KK, not a fold :-S
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Old 07-20-2007, 06:45 AM
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Default Re: $22r, facing 2 all ins and a raise

Given the sidepots/mainpots/etc the important thing is the big stacks range. If it's JJ+,AK then you should get it in with QQ. If it's tighter don't...I think it isn't tighter so I get my chips in with QQ. Fold AK readless ( [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]). Do not fold KK because its preflop in NLHE.
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