MTT Bad Play, Any Advice?

JBellah · #1 07-18-2007, 10:14 PM

Okay, I am still pretty bad at poker. I am learning a lot and I am getting better and better. I've played poker for a number of years but am only now getting into the intricacies of the game. This hand was played in a freeroll tournament that I played out of boredom.

It's a terrible play, but I'd like to know how you guys would've played it. Thanks.

PokerStars Game #11011761117: Tournament #54874600, Freeroll Hold'em
No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/07/18 - 21:55:49 (ET)
Table '54874600 549' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: JBellah (4725 in chips)
Seat 2: tiggergirl13 (1095 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: donsbuddy (4695 in chips)
Seat 4: GODFATHER-U- (10005 in chips)
Seat 5: Boon48 (1495 in chips)
Seat 6: loob2446 (5417 in chips)
Seat 7: nick0007 (1475 in chips)
Seat 8: Alabama07 (875 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: PGCK (1390 in chips)
Alabama07: posts small blind 50
PGCK: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JBellah [Qs Qh]
JBellah: raises 900 to 1000
tiggergirl13: folds
donsbuddy: folds
GODFATHER-U-: calls 1000
Boon48: folds
loob2446: raises 4417 to 5417 and is all-in
nick0007: folds
Alabama07: folds
PGCK: folds
JBellah: calls 3725 and is all-in
nick0007 is sitting out
GODFATHER-U-: folds
*** FLOP *** [8d 6d Kd]
*** TURN *** [8d 6d Kd] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [8d 6d Kd 8h] [Js]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JBellah: shows [Qs Qh] (two pair, Queens and Eights)
loob2446: shows [Kc Ac] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
loob2446 collected 10600 from pot
sg_houstontx is connected
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10600 | Rake 0
Board [8d 6d Kd 8h Js]
Seat 1: JBellah showed [Qs Qh] and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 2: tiggergirl13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: donsbuddy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: GODFATHER-U- folded before Flop
Seat 5: Boon48 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: loob2446 showed [Kc Ac] and won (10600) with two pair, Kings
and Eights
Seat 7: nick0007 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Alabama07 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: PGCK (big blind) folded before Flop

wulfpacker21 · #2 07-18-2007, 10:20 PM

why raise so much pf. the only hand that is calling you is KK or AA maybe AK

illini43 · #3 07-19-2007, 12:10 AM

Raise to 300-400 preflop. Bet/fold the flop.

ChipSpeak · #4 07-19-2007, 12:28 AM

Well... you got your chips in good... thats a good thing...

That pf raise... what logic is behind that? raising 10x the BB gets zero value from most any hand that we may have gotten value from and shows our opponent he can just go ahead and shove his chips on AA,KK in there and you're calling (There will be an overpair ~ 8% of the time at a full table when we are dealt QQ). You have basically open shoved 47 BB's & gave your opponent a clear view of your hand and how willing you are to go all the way with it. The best thing you could have hoped for here was AK, considering the alternatives.

Think of sitting behind a player that has open raised 10x, you have narrowed the calling range considerably (huge), what hand would you need to get involved in this action ? How does QQ rate against those hands? This is how to turn a premium starting hand like QQ into 72.

It may seem like a simple question, but why do you raise?

D. Bosola · #5 07-19-2007, 12:40 AM

You lost a race in a freeroll tournament and you are posting it to 2+2? Dear god, man.

At least convert the HH next time. That was painful.

ChipSpeak · #6 07-19-2007, 12:41 AM

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Raise to 300-400 preflop. Play some poker .

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blankoblanco · #7 07-19-2007, 12:46 AM

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why raise so much pf. the only hand that is calling you is KK or AA maybe AK

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lol, it's a freeroll

wulfpacker21 · #8 07-19-2007, 12:50 AM

didn't see it was a free roll ... just push pf and some big old donk will call you and u will have your money in good

ChipSpeak · #9 07-19-2007, 12:51 AM

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You lost a race in a freeroll tournament and you are posting it to 2+2? Dear god, man.

At least convert the HH next time. That was painful.

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I would strongly suggest playing at least the 10 cent tourneys, at least you can begin to read opponents and play poker. It is difficult for anyone here to comment on freerolls as a high percentage of opponents are not thinking type players, reads are very important for discussion.

Here's the link for the hand converter (be sure to select 2+2 forums in the drop down).

Also, you will be amazed at the wealth of knowledge in the FAQ's and anthology's here, worth the time spent.

wulfpacker21 · #10 07-19-2007, 12:51 AM

PokerStars (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of 50.
Hero raises, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, CO raises, 3 folds, Hero calls 3725 (All-In), MP2 folds.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot:

Results in white below: 
Hero has Qs Qh (two pair, queens and eights).
CO has Kc Ac (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: CO wins .