KK facing psb on river oop

sgepower · #1 07-17-2007, 05:10 PM

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UTG ($155.75)
MP ($180.45)
Button ($43.20)
Hero ($133.80)
BB ($226.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5.5, BB calls $4, MP folds.

Flop: ($11.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $7, BB calls $7.

Turn: ($25.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, BB calls $15.

River: ($55.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $55, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $55.5

villain : 34 /15 70 hands

i didn't saw any reason to call here.
Which hand that i beat , is going to make that huge bet on the river ?
Does anyone consider calling ?
-i think my turn bet is way too low
I don't know why i bet only 15 , should be around 20 , right ?

Rainclouds · #2 07-17-2007, 05:25 PM

Yeah a fold is good.

Both the straight and flush hit on the turn. A jack is usually not value betting here, so you can only beat a bluff and this is a bluff not often enough.

Your turn bet is okay, but you could have bet/folded the river for $25 though.

sgepower · #3 07-17-2007, 05:44 PM

don't you think a 25 dollar bet is too weak
i mean, if you bet here it should be at least half of the pot( ~30 $)
But which hand is calling a river bet ?
qj or kq ?
i don't know , against a station it might be the right play against other villains i don't see any hands, which don't beat me and call that bet.

Rainclouds · #4 07-17-2007, 06:20 PM

I see b/f as an alternative line to c/f. Both are fine imo, not sure which is better.

With a small bet you accomplish a few things:
- being bluffed off the hand less often as opposed to c/f
- still possible to get away from it if he shoves as opposed to a large bet
- a wide range of worse hands will call

If you bet small, I think any jack will call, possibly also TT or A9 type hands. Reads on villain would be nice here though.

Fat Nicky · #5 07-17-2007, 06:26 PM

i think stacks are deep enough at the river where we can value bet/block bet about $30 and fold to a raise. we can easily get a call from a JT/QJ type hand if this guy turns out to be a calling station, and we can be quite certain we're toast if he raises.

mrjetguy · #6 07-17-2007, 07:32 PM

b/f >c/f imo.

Turn bet is meh, but not horribly importan. A bet of 30 or 35 is probably good for the river. I have no reason to assume that he has you bet when the river card comes.

bilbo-san · #7 07-17-2007, 07:35 PM

bet $30/fold to raise > c/f > c/c.

I think it's pretty close and read-dependent between b/f and c/c.

And by the way reads should be more than just stats...

mrjetguy · #8 07-17-2007, 07:42 PM

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Not always possible but I wish people would at least give the AF.

bilbo-san · #9 07-17-2007, 07:54 PM

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Not always possible but I wish people would at least give the AF.

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I think it's possible. With those stats you should have seen 2-3 showdowns at least by now.

mrjetguy · #10 07-17-2007, 07:56 PM

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Not always possible but I wish people would at least give the AF.

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I think it's possible. With those stats you should have seen 2-3 showdowns at least by now.

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Possible, but not always going to happen if you are a lazy multitabler like myself.