NL 50: JJ OOP on K K K board - a little lost

[BarryLyndon]

Full tilt NL 50, 6 handed

Villain is unknown, about 20 hands in, he's been folding a bunch. I've been raping this donkey to my left, so my image is probably aggro. I have never 3 -bet.

6 handed
Villain1, button ($65.60)
SB ($42.70)
Hero, BB ($79.20)

Villain1 raises to 1.75, SB folds, Hero with J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] raises to 4.50, Villain1 insta calls.

Flop: K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (pot: $9.25)

Hero bets $5, Villain insta-raises to $19, Hero ?

[holdme]

raise more pf
bet more on the flop (no one will fold an ace ever)
now you fold even though you've underrepped it. you are prolly against tt+, aj+. you have horrible reverse implied odds

[Capone]

Yeah bring pf to 7 or so.

On the flop, Id bet 7 as played. I would just call here.

[that_guy_33]

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raise more pf
bet more on the flop (no one will fold an ace ever)
now you fold even though you've underrepped it. you are prolly against tt+, aj+. you have horrible reverse implied odds

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That is not what reverse implied odds are...

[holdme]

so he wont lose a bigger pot if behind, and a smaller pot if ahead?

[Lego05]

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so he wont lose a bigger pot if behind, and a smaller pot if ahead?

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I think aa buncha times if he's ahead he'll still win a pretty big pot.....cause pocket pairs lower than JJ will likely not be able to fold their full house. I'm still going over in my head how often he's ahead here though and how often the smallest pocket pairs he could be against would fold.

[holdme]

i don't see a raise because it folds out everything we beat.

so lets say we call. there's one bet left for the turn. it blanks. we check, and he bets. now what? fold? why'd we call the raise then?

i just can't see calling just in hopes of a turn check-through either. let's say it goes check-check. this is the only scenerio in which you are ahead. but you also probably wont get another dime from villain if he has 88 or something like that.

[gimmetheloot]

i call and c/c his turn bet if he makes one. If he as quads so be it.

[iwa]

I like a call, c/r turn. Derp!

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