pot odds question

[TheCount212]

Let's say I have 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and limp, with a total of five to the flop. The flop comes 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. So I have a gutshot and a backdoor flush draw, giving me 13 outs. If there are no raises in front of me, is it always right to call?

[HoneyBadger]

You mean 5-5.5 outs. In that case you need 8.5:1, with 5 to the flop, any bet will give you at least 6:1, which is enough with implied odds. Generally, this would be an easy call, but it may depend on position. Closing the action, yes, easy call.

Also, see one of my previous hands: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...=2#Post11193400 , this is also an easy action-closing call on a gutshot.

[BigBadBabar]

by 13 outs you mean around 5!

[Bob T.]

If you aren't closing the action, depending on the better, and who is left to act after you, this is also a situation, where I sometimes raise.

But yes, closing the action, and easy call.

[James.]

in a heartbeat i will peel with a gutter to the nuts getting 6-1 on the flop. with a bd frushdraw and maybe an out or a 1/2 an out for our pairs, i'll peel getting 5-1.

as is the case with so many situations in hold em when we have position and we are going to continue in the hand, raising is very often going to be best(maybe not in the 5sb scenario, but make the pot even 6sb or more and it is).

[TheCount212]

So I'm not counting the backdoor flush draw as outs?

[Esso]

BDFD is worth somewhere between 1 and 1.5 outs. You aren't counting it as 9 outs are you?

[TheCount212]

Well I'm certainly not now..

[TheGoon]

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So I'm not counting the backdoor flush draw as outs?

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Your "backdoor" flush draw counts as about 1.5 out and gutshot as 4. Read the counting outs section in sshe and this will be covered.

[TheGoon]

Been beaten to it!