NL100: Turned set on flush board

[Ryanj37]

<font color="blue">Viliian is 22/2/1.5 over 500 hands</font>

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CO ($37)
Button ($89.90)
<font color="#C00000">SB ($100)</font>
BB ($192.35)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($129.85)
MP1 ($23.15)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($190.80)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP3 ($105)</font>

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, MP3 calls $4, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($9.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP3 calls $7.

Turn: ($23.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12</font>, MP3 calls $12.

River: ($47.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, mp3 bets $35, Hero?

[Johnes Benjamin]

This was played really weak.
Question on river is whether to shove or not i guess? certainly can't be considering folding.
It is possible he has flush but you haven't gotten enough information out of him with your bets so you can't make a good read as far as his holding goes; only thing left is to play the strength of yours.

bet more on the turn and most likely lead the river

as played, you are inducing a bluff and I guess I'd be hoping he floated and caught an A on river.

Shove. hopefully he has AK

[Ron Burgundy]

Bastard of a spot. Looks so much like a value bet, especially from this weakie. I think I would rather lead out $25 on the river and fold to a raise.

[BT2]

river is a b/f not a c/c. also, an argument can be made for checking the turn.

[Klompy]

[ QUOTE ]
This was played really weak.
Question on river is whether to shove or not i guess? certainly can't be considering folding.
It is possible he has flush but you haven't gotten enough information out of him with your bets so you can't make a good read as far as his holding goes; only thing left is to play the strength of yours.

bet more on the turn and most likely lead the river

as played, you are inducing a bluff and I guess I'd be hoping he floated and caught an A on river.

Shove. hopefully he has AK

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL at shoving here hoping he has a,k.

OP, Really ugly spot. I think I can bet/fold this river, but would be pretty upset if villain ends up raising 2 pair and unknowingly making a bluff. I don't think most people are raising 2 pair on this river though.

[Eggpie]

Could he not have a lower set here quite a lot of the time?

I doubt he has AK here. He's either got a set or a flush IMO (Or even AJ), and I'm not sure leading the river heps us find out which on it is, as he could still reraise you with both.

I just call the river bet as you've taken a weak looking line and he could be value betting worse hands here. (But hate spots like this)

Also, bet more on the turn

[crunny]

ummmm, villains range on the river is AJ, JT, straights, flushes and air (rarely). I think villain makes a move much earlier with flopped two pair and sets.
So given there aren't many combos of AJ &amp; JT we have to c/f. It seems wrong to fold a set here though doesnt it.....hmmmm.

Also, if you have a read that villain can in fact slow play sets/two pair then b/f river becomes more favorable.

[Setzy]

You have to bet more on the turn, A.) to not let him draw with a bare Ah, and B.) to enable yourself to get more in on the river, especially if the board pairs.

If you get raised on the turn you will know better where you stand, by betting barely half pot you are inviting villain to try and blow you off the hand.