uNL do this more

fees · #1 07-16-2007, 03:51 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($41.60)
UTG ($27.10)
MP ($48.50)
CO ($56.80)
Button ($125)
Hero ($126.10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.6, Hero raises to $9.25, MP folds.

Final Pot: $11.70

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $11.70. 

Villian is lag/tag player who will regularly cbet

zesi · #2 07-16-2007, 04:15 AM

pure bluffs at uNL OOP?.. I can't imagine this is profitable.

Lego05 · #3 07-16-2007, 04:23 AM

Ah...I do that sometimes....when I do it's usually against TAG's who know how to fold and who c-bet a lot. This one was at 100NL actually though:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($151.55)
Hero ($101)
UTG ($341.35)
MP ($108.90)
Button ($155.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($6.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $4, Hero raises to $14, Button folds.

Final Pot: $14.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins $14.50.

zesi · #4 07-16-2007, 04:49 AM

I guess I'd rather 3bet PF against a frequent stealer, to take it down right there.. most of the time. A preflop semibluff.

well.. what are pros and cons of each move?
I'm thinking about that right now..

problem with calling PF is that you let your opponent see a flop with a possibly speculative steal hand like SCs or AXs etc. and then pull a pure bluff on him..

if you 3bet and he calls you though.. you're in a somewhat big pot OOP with a speculative hand yourself. But that's just the problem with semibluffs in general.

Fiksdal · #5 07-16-2007, 04:51 AM

I do this all the time againt the regs when they raise from CO/BTN. This move is a lot harder to re-re-steal against than a preflop 3bet. Even if they get an idea of whats going on, they cant get themselves to do something about it.-

K䲰䮥n · #6 07-16-2007, 04:52 AM

BBV?

ama0330 · #7 07-16-2007, 04:54 AM

Bluff someone who is likely to be bluffing himself... sounds standard?

A10Chief · #8 07-16-2007, 04:55 AM

I suppose this is like a PF float. I usually just 3-bet, but it's a line worth taking against the right player, if you have history with them I guess.

fees · #9 07-16-2007, 05:39 AM

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ciro bonano · #10 07-16-2007, 05:42 AM

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What were your stats / observed hands on Villain? The few times I've tried this at 50NL at a laggy Villain they simply won't fold so I'm only doing this when I do have a hand.