200NL 6max How much did I [censored] this up?

[Speedlimits]

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Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

Hero (SB): $205.00
BB: $107.25
UTG: $200.00
CO: $105.85
BTN: $217.45

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $8.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $30.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $22.00

Flop: ($62) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets $42.00</font>, Hero calls $42.00

Turn: ($146) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BTN bets all-in for $145.45</font>, Hero calls all-in for $133.00

I beat AK/lose to everything else. Problem is I am almost getting odds to call ~30% real equity to the pot against an overpair.

Oh his attention to steal is 32% that's why I 3bet. I fold/3bet like 80/20 with this hand.

[Gelford]

Why are you check-calling so much ?

[Speedlimits]

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Why are you check-calling so much ?

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Gives him a chance to bluff? You really think I have fold equity here lol

[Gelford]

I utterly hate it from a balancing/game theoretical standpoint ... and from a practical standpoint.


I prefer my opponents to be calling and not folding.

The reason you 3bet that [censored] in the first place is

1. You assume that he is light, so you want to win it here.
2. To mask your good hands, so you can bet those too.

The check on the flop is just horrid, you give up initiative, in line with 1. cbetting and winning it here is fine.

And after you've showed down this, do you intend to 3bet then check the flop with AA ????


This is just too wierd for me

[Gelford]

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You really think I have fold equity here lol

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That lol is the a big part of the reason, that I don't post here a lot, if you don't want to hear the opinion of others or risk having your hands questioned, then don't freaking post!

/end SSNL visit

[davekngs]

ye this is terrible. I'd rather 3bet 78s than K9 and how can you 3bet then not cbet here. your basically just closing your eyes and praying he has AK/AQ when they make up a small part of his range and going into station mode.

I understand what you are saying about picking off a bluff but you can only win if he is double barreling air and this is only a small possibility. what are you going to do stack off every time you pair a card?

[Speedlimits]

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I utterly hate it from a balancing/game theoretical standpoint ... and from a practical standpoint.


I prefer my opponents to be calling and not folding.

The reason you 3bet that [censored] in the first place is

1. You assume that he is light, so you want to win it here.
2. To mask your good hands, so you can bet those too.

The check on the flop is just horrid, you give up initiative, in line with 1. cbetting and winning it here is fine.

And after you've showed down this, do you intend to 3bet then check the flop with AA ????


This is just too wierd for me

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His calling range is not folding to a cbet on this flop most likely. And with 3bets in general u want a fold not call. Unless you have a premium of course.

so ur saying u always cbet when you have 3bet? Sometimes check/folding is fine. as well as c/c.

[Gelford]

Well you must understand, that he has no FE, so he wants to let him bluff (err ...) and there really is no need for protection here, as AQ or JTs or whatever might be behind hasn't an equity against his pair of nines that warrants protection.

So checkcalling is best, ldo

[Speedlimits]

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ye this is terrible. I'd rather 3bet 78s than K9 and how can you 3bet then not cbet here. your basically just closing your eyes and praying he has AK/AQ when they make up a small part of his range and going into station mode.

I understand what you are saying about picking off a bluff but you can only win if he is double barreling air and this is only a small possibility. what are you going to do stack off every time you pair a card?

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this 3bet is pretty standard against light button raisers.

[Gelford]

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I utterly hate it from a balancing/game theoretical standpoint ... and from a practical standpoint.


I prefer my opponents to be calling and not folding.

The reason you 3bet that [censored] in the first place is

1. You assume that he is light, so you want to win it here.
2. To mask your good hands, so you can bet those too.

The check on the flop is just horrid, you give up initiative, in line with 1. cbetting and winning it here is fine.

And after you've showed down this, do you intend to 3bet then check the flop with AA ????


This is just too wierd for me

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His calling range is not folding to a cbet on this flop most likely. And with 3bets in general u want a fold not call. Unless you have a premium of course.

so ur saying u always cbet when you have 3bet? Sometimes check/folding is fine. as well as c/c.

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Check folding is fine at times, I wouldn't say anything if you did that

If you checkraised, then I'd be fine with it too


But checkcalling here looks utterly horrid