RAZZ: fold anywhere?

[NBourbaki]

After Raising on 3rd street, is there any escape from becoming a calling station?

Razz[/b] ($15/$30), Ante $3, Bring-In $5 (converter)

3rd Street - (1.00 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___raises
Seat 4: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___completes___calls

4th Street - (5.33 SB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___bets

5th Street - (3.67 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets

6th Street - (5.67 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___bets

River - (7.67 BB)

Hero: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 7: xx xx 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] xx___bets

Total pot: (9.67 BB - $290)

[tx4allthefish]

No escape, but I would usually raise 5th.
You are just less than 50-50 if they have a
made 97 or ahead if they have worse.

It also allows you to check behind if they
check on 6th, since you are behind now.

You have to call 7th - they see 2 open pairs
and will bet with worse than your made 8.

It's a borderline raise on 7th since your
board looks so bad to the opp. Cant quite
decide if I would - probably not.

Tx.

[*TT*]

Raise 5th. Villain's in a steal position on 3rd, if his range is one card 6 or lower and a wildcard then here is a 63% favorite, if the villain has a 3 cards 8 or lower than are not-duplicated on 3rd street hero is still a 57% favorite.

As played generally if your seeing 5th street you should be willing to see 7th.

[Andy B]

Yeah, raise fifth. Why would you want to fold anywhere?

[NBourbaki]

Thanks for the advice.

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Why would you want to fold anywhere?

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Because it's annoying to lose a big pot this way. I really hate having to raise on 3rd street due to the difficulties to get rid of a hand later. So I tend to call against a possible steal with an 8 or 7, knowing that this is probably not correct.

[SGspecial]

Hi NB, and welcome to 2p2. I understand your aversion to losing big pots, but it's something that just comes with the territory. If you can win 60% of big pots (HU), then you're crushing the table, but you're still losing 40% of them. It can be even worse for your psyche with multiway pots, but not for your BR if you play them correctly. Also, don't get hung up on being a "calling station" in razz. The "call as a last resort" strategy that is so strong in HE just doesn't apply in this world.

[TomBrooks]

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Why would you want to fold anywhere?

[/ QUOTE ] Because it's annoying to lose a big pot this way.

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So you prefer to lose the pot by folding [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] ?

[Sp00n]

looks super standard to me, I might raise 7th for value against some players.

[HOWMANY]

If this person will value bet 97 here then you should raise the river.

[*TT*]

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If this person will value bet 97 here then you should raise the river.

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Thats too wild IMHO. The problem is the same player who will value bet a 97xxx will also look you up if you raise and he catches a perfect card on the river.