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07-13-2007, 10:47 AM
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50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
only 20 hands with villan, he was very lose passive, after the turn i could not put him on a hand other than AQ or AA
Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter) SB: $49.00 BB: $54.51 UTG: $50.87 Hero (CO): $55.33 BTN: $78.16 Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J  (5 Players)<font color="red">UTG raises to $2.00</font>, Hero calls $2.00, 3 folds Flop: ($4.75) 7 J Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, UTG calls $3.00 Turn: ($10.75) 7 J Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q (2 Players)UTG checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, UTG calls $10.00 River: ($30.75) 7 J Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)<font color="red">UTG bets all-in for $35.87</font>, Hero folds???? 
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#2
07-13-2007, 11:03 AM
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Re: 50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
I don't think there's any way I can fold a boat here. This could be a straight, a smaller boat, trips, two pair, top pair, a cold bluff on a scary board...
Looking at the flop, if he's got AQ, does he really check TPTK here? If he's got AA, he's got an overpair. I just don't see the check/call after a PFR out of either of those hands. QQ might slow play the set like this, but that's the only one of the hands that beat you that makes sense here. Looking at this, it looks a lot like KT drawing to a straight, and making it on the river. If it's quads, or the better boats, I lose my stack here but I definitely call it.
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#3
07-13-2007, 11:06 AM
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Re: 50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
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I don't think there's any way I can fold a boat here. This could be a straight, a smaller boat, trips, two pair, top pair, a cold bluff on a scary board... Looking at the flop, if he's got AQ, does he really check TPTK here? If he's got AA, he's got an overpair. I just don't see the check/call after a PFR out of either of those hands. QQ might slow play the set like this, but that's the only one of the hands that beat you that makes sense here. Looking at this, it looks a lot like KT drawing to a straight, and making it on the river. If it's quads, or the better boats, I lose my stack here but I definitely call it. [/ QUOTE ] I was thinking this, but i dont think villians call the turn bet with K10. I think a very large portion of the time its AA KK or AQ... I felt sick when that river came out, but after the turn call i found it very very hard to put him on anything else
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#4
07-13-2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: 50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
i think villain would reraise AA on this scary board also. AQ is possible i suppose... i dont see him pushing here without a q unless he has AA, so i think the only hand your beating here is KQ and your losing to AA, QQ, AQ, so i think it is a fold sadly yes...
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#5
07-13-2007, 11:12 AM
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Re: 50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
Preflop sucks; 3b 100%.
Flop/turn is fine. River is tough. Could be a horribly misplayed AK from villain, possibly KQ, or a deranged bluff, but I think you are beat quite a lot. I'd still probably close my eyes and call.
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#6
07-13-2007, 11:16 AM
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Re: 50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
paulnic - That was my exact reasoning, i figure he has boated up more than he has air, ak etc.
TheRenaissance - lol, i was considering going to the close eyed call, but i just cant help but think that river overbets are generally the nuts or that close to it Just could not bring myself to do it (call that is) edit: oh and about PF i find alot of the time these utg raises from guys who limp / minraise consistantly are generally a big hand...Probably scared poker on my behalf but i kind of felt safer playing JJ for set value
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#7
07-13-2007, 11:20 AM
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Re: 50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
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paulnic - That was my exact reasoning, i figure he has boated up more than he has air, ak etc. TheRenaissance - lol, i was considering going to the close eyed call, but i just cant help but think that river overbets are generally the nuts or that close to it Just could not bring myself to do it (call that is) [/ QUOTE ] Good that you trust your reads like that. I wouldnt loose much sleep over it. This is so close EV-wise that it wont affect your winrate much anyways.
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#8
07-13-2007, 11:24 AM
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Re: 50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
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[ QUOTE ] paulnic - That was my exact reasoning, i figure he has boated up more than he has air, ak etc. TheRenaissance - lol, i was considering going to the close eyed call, but i just cant help but think that river overbets are generally the nuts or that close to it Just could not bring myself to do it (call that is) [/ QUOTE ] Good that you trust your reads like that. I wouldnt loose much sleep over it. This is so close EV-wise that it wont affect your winrate much anyways. [/ QUOTE ] Awww...that being said, i said "folding JJ" and being the gentlemen that he is showed: big_stevie1 shows [ A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]a full house, Queens full of Aces.
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#10
07-13-2007, 11:27 AM
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Re: 50nl Folding JJ on xJQQA board
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] paulnic - That was my exact reasoning, i figure he has boated up more than he has air, ak etc. TheRenaissance - lol, i was considering going to the close eyed call, but i just cant help but think that river overbets are generally the nuts or that close to it Just could not bring myself to do it (call that is) [/ QUOTE ] Good that you trust your reads like that. I wouldnt loose much sleep over it. This is so close EV-wise that it wont affect your winrate much anyways. [/ QUOTE ] Awww...that being said, i said "folding JJ" and being the gentlemen that he is showed: big_stevie1 shows [ A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]a full house, Queens full of Aces. [/ QUOTE ] hahaha, nh
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