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Old 07-12-2007, 04:53 PM
vizer02 vizer02 is offline
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Default 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what?

I don't use HUD on my pc at work b/c my monitor is too small, so my only reads in this hand are as follows:

MP2: has been open raising and calling raises a lot, aggressive post-flop

SB: total donk, plays ATC to a raise, has shown down tpnk in 80BB pots

UTG: this is the first hand I've seen him raise pf in about 3-4 orbits

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SB: $153.95
Hero (BB): $99.50
UTG: $71.25
UTG+1: $100.00
MP1: $102.30
MP2: $70.65
MP3: $94.50
CO: $161.40
BTN: $40.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt 5c 8c (9 Players)
UTG raises to $3.00, 2 folds, MP2 calls $3.00, 3 folds, SB calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.00

Flop: ($12) Kh 8d 5h (4 Players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets $13.00, MP2 raises to $35.00, SB calls $35.00, Hero ???
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Old 07-12-2007, 05:02 PM
effang effang is offline
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what

call and shove any turn

edit: best situation would be to just take it down now. but i think if you shove on the flop, you are only getting called by better hands. even draws may be able to drop here.
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Old 07-12-2007, 05:04 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what?

Fold...
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Old 07-12-2007, 05:12 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what

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you're only scared of the huge donk. the agg player is defining his hand, AK/KQ etc. PF raise very likely could have AA or AK.
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Old 07-12-2007, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what

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you're only scared of the huge donk. the agg player is defining his hand, AK/KQ smibluffing, etc. possibly K8, but very unlikely KK. PF raise very likely could have AA or AK.

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Old 07-12-2007, 06:19 PM
P9P9 P9P9 is offline
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what

I fold this one. Just too much action for buttom two.

Even if we put SB on a strong draw (check/calls35bb) and utg on AA,KK, AK we still have the very scary set-looking power reraise from MP2.

And still utg can go allin.

no i definitly fold this one and waits for a better spot
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:07 AM
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what

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I fold this one. Just too much action for buttom two.

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Would u fold a set of 5's in this spot? On the flop I value my bottom 2 almost as highly as bottom set in this type of situation. Obviously the set has better showdown potential, but still...
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Old 07-13-2007, 12:14 AM
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what?

I gots to go away. Got caught in the middle...
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Old 07-13-2007, 02:22 AM
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what?

MP2 has shown huge strength by raising on the flop with several players left to act. Your hand is practically worthless.
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Old 07-13-2007, 02:27 AM
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Default Re: 100NL: I hit bottom 2 from the BB, 4-way pot with action, now what

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MP2 has shown huge strength by raising on the flop with several players left to act. Your hand is practically worthless.

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you wouldn't raise with AK as mp2? as mp2, raising with AK is the best chance you have of not getting stacked. you call the flop bet, if anybody else calls, what are you going to do on the turn when you have no idea if your hand is good (probably not).
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