KK: How's this look?

xorbie · #1 02-23-2006, 10:35 PM

200nl or 400nl 6 max

First hand at table, no read on either villain.

Hero is in BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG limps, fold, CO raises to 5BB, Button folds, SB folds, Hero pushes....

Hoopster81 · #2 02-23-2006, 10:40 PM

I think it's a waste of a premium hand

JKratzer · #3 02-23-2006, 10:47 PM

Only if you have a strong feeling that an ace will flop.

Seriously, even though it's your first hand, I still think it has to be more profitable to reraise and play it from there. To be fair, I've never tried this so I don't know how often worse hands call, but I wouldn't think it would happen hardly ever. If anyone knows from experience that this works, I'd love to hear it.

JKratzer

xorbie · #4 02-23-2006, 10:50 PM

Everyone here is saying they call this with JJ. I think most Party players hem and haw for a while but will call with QQ, and you'll get a decent success with JJ. Also if AK ever calls you, its also huge +EV to counterbalance the few he has AA.

Hoopster81 · #5 02-23-2006, 10:51 PM

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Everyone here is saying they call this with JJ.

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whhaaaaa..??

xorbie · #6 02-23-2006, 10:54 PM

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Everyone here is saying they call this with JJ.

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whhaaaaa..??

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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...e=7#Post4817855

nuSFwck · #7 02-23-2006, 10:58 PM

how deep is CO in the example? what about UTG?

it might be more logical to me to pull this move if villians, or atleast one villian, was <100 BB's or something. if they're deeper, i dunno, seems illogical but you're right, you might get crying calls from weaker pairs.

xorbie · #8 02-23-2006, 11:01 PM

I'm just wondering, because seriously I think this is a case in which everyone is afraid to take a gamble on a hand, that from the other point of view you would often fall for.

To be honest, I'm rarely getting called with anything but AK, TT, JJ, QQ, AA, then some guys with all the pairs and some with AQ. Against that range, we lose TT, AQ and maaaybe JJ against which we make a marginal postflop gain (and sometimes lose our stack). We, I think, still get QQ and AK to get come along for the ride, and this is a pretty nice EV upgrade.

Triumph36 · #9 02-23-2006, 11:04 PM

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I'm just wondering, because seriously I think this is a case in which everyone is afraid to take a gamble on a hand, that from the other point of view you would often fall for.

To be honest, I'm rarely getting called with anything but AK, TT, JJ, QQ, AA, then some guys with all the pairs and some with AQ. Against that range, we lose TT, AQ and maaaybe JJ against which we make a marginal postflop gain (and sometimes lose our stack). We, I think, still get QQ and AK to get come along for the ride, and this is a pretty nice EV upgrade.

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To me it depends entirely on whether he can lay down AK in this spot. If he can't, it's definitely a good move (anyone not laying down AK isn't laying down JJ).

xorbie · #10 02-23-2006, 11:05 PM

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To me it depends entirely on whether he can lay down AK in this spot

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That's pretty much what I'm wondering. I think people call this a lot.