$109 on PS

gibler321 · #1 07-12-2007, 03:22 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t48224)
SB (t20117)
BB (t22771)
UTG (t32413)
UTG+1 (t62126)
Hero (t31528)
MP2 (t23789)
MP3 (t179372)
CO (t11286)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t2000, 1 fold, Hero raises to t7000, MP2 raises to t23589, 5 folds, UTG raises to t32413, Hero ???.

gibler321 · #2 07-12-2007, 03:24 AM

reads on players.. none. this is with 27 people left (my table just broke). if i fold i have 25k left at 1k/2k, if i win i have a top 5 stack

moneyinbag · #3 07-12-2007, 03:30 AM

I am never folding here unless I know the villains and know they are super nitty. Otherwise, there are just way too many donks that I do not think this is a profitable fold. You are too deep in the tournament and have too shallow of a stack to fold here imo.

shadypac · #4 07-12-2007, 03:43 AM

Im never folding KK in a tourney either, there would have to be some pretty good reason on my part to do this. Like in a satellite for instance when 2 people r all-in ahead of me and we are 1 to the prize and im the shortstack.

swede554 · #5 07-12-2007, 03:47 AM

obv call. too short to fold, and you're good here a lot anyways

i'd say standard ranges w/o any reads are
MP2: 99+, AQ+, maybe even 88 or AJs
UTG: QQ+, AK, maybe JJ-TT, AQs

gibler321 · #6 07-12-2007, 03:54 AM

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obv call. too short to fold, and you're good here a lot anyways

i'd say standard ranges w/o any reads are
MP2: 99+, AQ+, maybe even 88 or AJs
UTG: QQ+, AK, maybe JJ-TT, AQs

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i say the MP2 range = 10+ AQ and AK. UTG is what got me. i see this play so often, and it just screams AA. i talked to a few players and they agreed QQ, KK, and AA were a correct range to give him. some suggested that QQ is a little too loose though.

shadypac · #7 07-12-2007, 03:57 AM

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obv call. too short to fold, and you're good here a lot anyways

i'd say standard ranges w/o any reads are
MP2: 99+, AQ+, maybe even 88 or AJs
UTG: QQ+, AK, maybe JJ-TT, AQs

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i say the MP2 range = 10+ AQ and AK. UTG is what got me. i see this play so often, and it just screams AA. i talked to a few players and they agreed QQ, KK, and AA were a correct range to give him. some suggested that QQ is a little too loose though.

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Not if hes trying to squeeze you out if for some reason he thinks MP2 is weak. Could be a pocket pair limped trying to get heads up now. This play does look alot like AA i agree but there are time when its not, like i said Im not letting go of my KK here.

edit: Ohh ya MP2 does only have a little more then 10BB so UTG could be putting him on a wider range then you are and trying to squeeze u out.

swede554 · #8 07-12-2007, 04:04 AM

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i say the MP2 range = 10+ AQ and AK. UTG is what got me. i see this play so often, and it just screams AA. i talked to a few players and they agreed QQ, KK, and AA were a correct range to give him. some suggested that QQ is a little too loose though.

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MP2 is pretty short, not desperate yet though, so ok maybe i can agree on that range for him. true UTG will show up w/ AA here a good amount, but i see people do that w/ KK,QQ and AK too.

Either way even if we give UTG and MP2 you're presumed ranges you still have 36% equity. You have to call 25k to win 68k so even vs. those ranges you're getting the rigth price to call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,684,586,752 games 4.735 secs 778,159,820 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.686% 33.38% 03.30% 1229957892 121768024.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 22.744% 21.46% 01.28% 790778508 47229088.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }
Hand 2: 40.570% 37.18% 03.39% 1369852380 125000860.00 { QQ+ }

gibler321 · #9 07-12-2007, 04:45 AM

AAplayer05, that is a good explanation. UTG range is deff QQ+, but out of QQ KK and AA, AA shows up i think the majority of the time. lets say all 3 of us where deeper stacked, say 50bb deep. given the same action, do i fold KK?

swede554 · #10 07-12-2007, 05:11 AM

ugh i don't know...i rarely fold KK preflop due to the random donkiness that occurs in all MTT's (unless its painfully obv from the action that someone got AA, and i only remember one spot in which i folded KK preflop correctly due to being 100% i was beat and ive played a lot of tourneys) but if I'm deep enough and the table dynamics are right (table playing weak-passive, easy to run over, etc.) it probably would be ok, if not at least understandable to fold KK in this spot. in this actual spot though, i'm never folding it