50NL; 200BB AJ flops TPTK rivers trips - did I play this too weak?

Lego05 · #1 07-12-2007, 01:52 AM

Villian is 33.33//10.71/4.25 postflop agg.

Note: 200 BB's deep.

Ok...IMO the J on the river did not change the strength of my hand relative to my opponent's. If I was winning with a pair of J's then I'm winning with the 3 J's and if I was losing with the pair of J's then I'm losing with the 3 J's. Does anybody disagree about that?

However, it feels as if I played this very weakly....did I play this too weak? Should I have put a raise in there somewhere? Where?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($115.20)
BB ($83.20)
Hero ($95.80)
MP ($12.15)
CO ($13.70)
Button ($48.85)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold.

Flop: ($4.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($10.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

River: ($20.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $10.5, Hero calls $10.50.

Final Pot: $41.50

Jeffrey Dahmer · #2 07-12-2007, 01:57 AM

Raise or call is fine. I have learned that rasing here often is against a weak full house. Enough is in the pot, he may even have JA as well.

Khaos4k · #3 07-12-2007, 02:05 AM

Does villain normally bet half pot like this? We're 200BB deep and he seems to be going for pot control. With that AF I think he'd be trying to build a pot with a hand like 2 pair or a set. While it is true that the jack doesn't "change" anything as far as your relative hand strengths go, it does change what he is willing to call. He is more likely to call you with trips than a pair of jacks. He is now beating overpairs.

I raise to about $35 here.

bored · #4 07-12-2007, 02:08 AM

Weird hand.

It looks like SB has a set and is scared you are going to fold.

I'm not sure what else he is making these small donkbets with. Maybe another J?

I think this is okay playing deep, but I'm confused by SB's line, so I'd just call down.

iwa · #5 07-12-2007, 06:32 AM

Why not repop the flop, I'd start there and this hand plays out very differently.

shadypac · #6 07-12-2007, 06:35 AM

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roll · #7 07-12-2007, 06:50 AM

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I third that. I raise the flop to $9. Against this villain I see no reason not to try to get all in with top top, even 200bb deep, anyone think that's spew?

iwa · #8 07-12-2007, 06:52 AM

umm yes, I'm not getting all my chips in this deep on the flop with only top pair.

roll · #9 07-12-2007, 07:05 AM

Given that villain's vpip is 33 and and his post flop agression is 4.25 do you think hes getting all in on the flop with QJ? If so I get all in, if not I slow down. Maybe those stats aren't as laggy as I think they are.

Either way there's no way I'm calling this flop. Whether or not I spew two buy ins is one thing, but I certainly want to build a big pot as I don't think this villain is folding a jack very often, so at the very least make it 9$ and keep betting blanks when checked to.

Lego05 · #10 07-12-2007, 02:14 PM

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I third that. I raise the flop to $9. Against this villain I see no reason not to try to get all in with top top, even 200bb deep, anyone think that's spew?

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Yes I think it's spew.

And I don't think I like raising the flop. There are no draws out there and he'll almost definitely fold anything worse than a J, maybe even fold like JT, or QJ or at least slow down with them. And if you just call there is usually a pretty good chance villian will fire turn again.