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Old 07-11-2007, 06:56 PM
StatsProf857 StatsProf857 is offline
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Default PS Turbo, shove-steals at 50/100 through 100/200/25

I tend to find myself stuck with 1400 plus or minus 300 midway through a turbo SNG. Maybe I've won a small pot, maybe I've lost a small pot, maybe I've just been bleeding blinds. There are usually between 6 and 8 people left. Then in the small blind I pick up something in that 70th to 80th percentile of hands (courtesy of PokerStove). I'm talking K9o, ace-middle, maybe even ace-rag. I can complete or raise something standard and see what happens or I can shove and pray. Shoving seems +EV, but I'm not sure strict chip-EV is enough justification here. Things to think about:

(1) If BB wakes up to a hand, I'm usually a dead duck.
(2) If the steal works, it usually only buys me a single orbit, since this is a turbo.
(3) I am assuming that BB doesn't have an extremely large or small stack. I assume that me doubling through will hurt BB significantly.
(4) I play $3.40's, so maybe I can wait and see if someone does something stupid for me later.

I realize that I've laid out a wide range, especially as far as stack sizes and blinds go. In these kinds of situations, what do people like to shove with? Any thoughts, especially example hands, would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 07-11-2007, 07:29 PM
Little John Little John is offline
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Default Re: PS Turbo, shove-steals at 50/100 through 100/200/25

I think it would be best if you could just save a few hands and post them. Just left click the dealer chips during the game, click "instant hand history", then copy and paste the hand in question into a word file or whatever. You can convert the hand when your session is over. Try to include a read on the BB if you have one.
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Old 07-11-2007, 07:32 PM
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Default Re: PS Turbo, shove-steals at 50/100 through 100/200/25

get an icm prog and play a bit with it, dis is a) great fun cuz of dem many many buttonz and b) gives you big skillz yo
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Old 07-11-2007, 08:05 PM
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Default Re: PS Turbo, shove-steals at 50/100 through 100/200/25

Ask and you shall receive.

OneTimeVil hasn't done anything outlandish. Every non-blind hand he's shown down has been ATo or better. Everything he's shown down has either hit the flop or hasn't needed to.

10-person SNG, 5 people left, 100/200, Blinds to go up shortly

Hero in SB: 1090+100
OneTimeVil: 2700+200
Bystander1: 3995
Bystander2: 2270
Bystander3: 4645
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Hero has [9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
3 folds, Hero shoves to 1190, OneTimeVil calls.

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Old 07-11-2007, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: PS Turbo, shove-steals at 50/100 through 100/200/25

did you start the hand with 1090 or 1190 chips, just curious.

either way, this is an incredibly easy push. you should be pushing very wide in this spot. most winning players push 60-100% in this spot.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:30 PM
EscapePlan9 EscapePlan9 is offline
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So it was folded to you in the SB, you have the shortest stack, and 5x BB? You can shove 100% here profitably against nearly any calling range.
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Old 07-11-2007, 10:36 PM
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Ask and you shall receive.

OneTimeVil hasn't done anything outlandish. Every non-blind hand he's shown down has been ATo or better. Everything he's shown down has either hit the flop or hasn't needed to.

10-person SNG, 5 people left, 100/200, Blinds to go up shortly

Hero in SB: 1090+100
OneTimeVil: 2700+200
Bystander1: 3995
Bystander2: 2270
Bystander3: 4645
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Hero has [9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
3 folds, Hero shoves to 1190, OneTimeVil calls.

StatsProf857

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you should be shoving just about any two cards against most all opponents here. The value of picking up the dead money to your stack (and your resulting equity in the prize pool given your stack aka ICM) makes pushing anything profitable vs the bb.

as has been said, buy sngpt or sngwiz, it will do you wonders.
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