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Old 07-11-2007, 01:12 AM
fingersmith fingersmith is offline
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Default 25NL: JJ line check

The major problem is Villain is aggro, but somewhat small sample size. 27/24/11.0 over 55 hands. Should I have stacked off? I'm pretty sure I should have gotten it in on the flop in retrospect.

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Hero (SB): $37.75
BB: $22.05
UTG: $27.85
CO: $33.10
BTN: $21.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $0.85</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.10</font>, BB folds, CO calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.45) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $10.00</font>, Hero calls $6.00

Turn: ($26.45) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets all-in for $20.00</font>, Hero folds
Uncalled bet of $20.00 returned to CO

Pot Size: $26.45 ($1.30 Rake)
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:20 AM
Event Duality Event Duality is offline
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

I 3bet shove against this villain 100% of the time on the flop, but then he usually spikes an overcard or hits his flush anyway. Also, I hate Jacks.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:20 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

Ya I would bring the flop to about $30.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:23 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

I'm not sure how often you're getting called by worse if you shove the flop, but then again, flat-calling the flop puts you in this tough spot on the turn. So I guess the flop shove is right, but it feels icky.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:26 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

Dumb question, but is this the type of player that will bluff off all his chips often enough to make flat calling him profitable? Is there such a type of opponent?
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:27 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

Villain doesn't call flop 3bet shove with 77, 88, 99, TT, big spades? Certainly there are some hands where villain calls when behind. His agg seems pretty high.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:29 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

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I'm not sure how often you're getting called by worse if you shove the flop, but then again, flat-calling the flop puts you in this tough spot on the turn. So I guess the flop shove is right, but it feels icky.

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ya I agree.
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Old 07-11-2007, 01:35 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

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Villain doesn't call flop 3bet shove with 77, 88, 99, TT, big spades? Certainly there are some hands where villain calls when behind. His agg seems pretty high.

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Definitely with big spades, but if so then it's still just a flip, and while 77-TT might call, I think those hands often fold too.

Just because his AF is high doesn't mean he stacks off light.

Edit: Besides, 55 hands is a pretty shaky foundation to draw any conclusions on an AF.
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:01 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

*grunch*
Like you suggested, I'm shoving this flop.
From villain's view, we could easily be holding two busted overcards. Especially with such a high aggression factor (although it is a limited sample size), I like our chances here.
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:50 AM
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Default Re: 25NL: JJ line check

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Dumb question, but is this the type of player that will bluff off all his chips often enough to make flat calling him profitable? Is there such a type of opponent?

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I think there's plenty of opponents who stack off with 88 on the turn if you just call the raise. Though you would prefer to be in position for this, so you can bet if he checks the turn.

Folding this is pretty weak, he does not have a better PP and if he has 66 then congrats to him.
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