$55 25k guar on PS

[gibler321]

PokerStars Game #10854162402: Tournament #54945756, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/07/09 - 17:59:56 (ET)
Table '54945756 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kgoulé (4060 in chips)
Seat 2: Boombasi (3575 in chips)
Seat 3: Ploufi (5250 in chips)
Seat 4: multitummen2 (4208 in chips)
Seat 5: CoachMarshal (8762 in chips)
Seat 6: baloneyfeet (2430 in chips)
Seat 7: gibler321 (5815 in chips)
Seat 8: mural (2300 in chips)
Seat 9: PlayaPlz (5160 in chips)
baloneyfeet: posts small blind 50
gibler321: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to gibler321 [Td Th]
mural: folds
PlayaPlz: folds
kgoulé: folds
Boombasi: folds
Ploufi: raises 200 to 300
multitummen2: folds
CoachMarshal: folds
baloneyfeet: folds
gibler321: raises 650 to 950
Ploufi: calls 650
*** FLOP *** [4s 2h 4c]
gibler321: bets 1300
multitummen2 is sitting out
Ploufi: calls 1300
*** TURN *** [4s 2h 4c] [Ks]
gibler321: ????

[gibler321]

no read on him, no previous hands played at table with him. at what point should i give up on the hand/ do i have to?

[gibler321]

bump

[cferejohn]

Use the hand converter. You'll get more responses.

That's a tough spot, and I'm not sure there's a great answer. Seems most like he has 77-JJ (other pairs possible too I suppose). Seems unlikely he would play AK-AQ this way (he'd probably push or fold to the flop bet). You are way ahead or way behind, with the former more likely. Given his probable range he probably didn't like that K much either.
You've got about 3500 left. If he does have the hand range I suspect, he's probably going to be hoping for a cheap showdown and you beat most of his range.

If you bet 1500, I have a hard time imagining he's pushing with anything that you beat, so you can probably muck.

Or, if you check, he will probably check behind. He may then bet small on the river, which you can call. If he bets after you check on the turn, that's a pretty ugly spot too, since if you call, you are going to be awfuly pot-committed. I think I would probably go with the bet since it makes the hand play a little easier.

Fwiw, I probably would have just called preflop unless I knew this guy was aggressive, but I think raising is also reasonable. I'd probably raise a little more given that you will be out of position the rest of the hand though. You'd rather just win in there, and if he pushes, you can fold.

[gibler321]

honestly, cfere, thanks a lot for that response, actually helps a lot. i'll be sure to use the hand converter in the future, flopturnriver.com is the site, correct?
i ended up pushing him in the turn, and he had 5 6 spade, i held

[cferejohn]

Hmm, well, now you have a read. "Will not lay down a draw". I just figured the flop call meant "I think my hand might be good", and the preflop action sure looked like a medium PP. Ah well, not the last time I will be wrong. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[8Adam8]

Thats a sexy bluff-card, I always bet (shove) turn

[cferejohn]

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Thats a sexy bluff-card, I always bet (shove) turn

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I think we are probably ahead and he's probably drawing to 2 outs (yeah yeah, in real life he had 13). Don't see the point of bluffing. If you think he is likely to be holding JJ/QQ here, than fine, but those are pretty much the only better hands you are folding out here. If you are pushing, it's a value bet, not a bluff.

[8Adam8]

The board has changed so that its near impossible to get value out of worse hands (unless opponent is retarded)

Bet and take the pot when he has a worse hand
Bet and take the pot when he folds a better hand