25nl6m.set, flush board and passive villain

[maddoc]

Villain is unknown.
Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.15/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $35.05
CO: $37.40
Button: $24.85
Hero: $25.15
BB: $33.70

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $1</font>, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $1</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, UTG folds, CO calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($11.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $7</font>, CO calls.

River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($25.25, 2 players)
Hero checks. Must i bet here? How many? Should i fold if he raise me?

[Hoopster81]

shove river

[jessyj07]

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shove river

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[SirFelixCat]

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shove river

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Care to elaborate fellas?

These are the types of posts that are causing this forum to go to crap. Ok, fine, shove the river...the guy wants to know the correct play and WHY TO MAKE IT SO HE CAN LEARN FROM IT AND APPLY IT TO HIS GAME!

Why not help him out then? Jeez....

[jessyj07]

I usually elaborate my answers Felix but I thought this was pretty standard and easy to figure out. You have a set and just over 1/2 pot left on the river which = a push for value.

[orig!naL]

I'll try and elaborate.. but to be honest I'm not sure I agree with this line... I would really need a good read to allow myself to stack off on a board that could have me destroyed like this.

Villains flop bet does appear to be some sort of drawing bet or he is scared of the flush(doubtful considering he called your flop re-raise). On the turn shut down... forget it find a better spot. I don't know why everyone thinks bet turn, shove river is a great line here.. I don't at all... this board is flushing, straightening on turn.. villain has called your re-raise on the flop and you are holding bottom set. The only card worse than that T on the turn would have been a diamond.

I'm really interested to know how others are so sure we are ahead here after this turn card that they are willing to bet the turn and stack off on the river?

[orig!naL]

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I usually elaborate my answers Felix but I thought this was pretty standard and easy to figure out. You have a set and just over 1/2 pot left on the river which = a push for value.

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As played yes, but I wouldn't have made that turn bet in the first place.

edit: I would like to add that my opinion on this hand is based on having no reads as stated in the first post. When I'm playing against someone who is 45/30/7 obviously everything changes.

[jessyj07]

Why not? It's alot more likely that he's drawing to a flush or has a pair of aces/2pair and thinks we're semi bluffing with the Kd or pair + flush draw given it was checked to him and he was c/r. Giving a free card is very very bad here.

[orig!naL]

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Why not? It's a lot more likely that he's drawing to a flush or has a pair of aces/2pair and thinks we're semi bluffing with the Kd or pair + flush draw given it was checked to him and he was c/r. Giving a free card is very very bad here.

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When you have no reads on an opponent you can't be sure that the $1 bet is an indication of drawing out, especially when he calls your re-raise. A lot of players at these levels fall in love slow playing their hands.

Sure you could be right and villain could be drawing out here.. but you have to think about this long term. With no reads do you really think this is a good place to be aggressive and stack off? I don't.


Your entire reasoning for stacking off here is you are somehow sure he is drawing to a flush or you are sure that an unknown 25NL player is a 2nd level thinker and has read your re-raise as a protection bet and he now thinks he can push you off the hand. This is a HIGHLY read dependent situation. When you don't have a read on a player, play your big pots with your big hands and your small pots with your small hands.

[jessyj07]

I actually didn't say that I thought his hand was a drawing hand, you did. In your first post you said you thought his bet was a drawing bet. I said his most likely hand is a pair of aces or 2pair and can also just have a draw. So I'm not betting this turn for protection but for protection and value. Also you're right about not betting the river if we think he has a draw and obviously a draw doesn't call but if we have the winner and he has an Ace or 2 pair and he checks behind, our check becomes terrible because we could have gotten value.

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play your big pots with your big hands and your small pots with your small hands.

[/ QUOTE ] a set is a big hand, even on this board.