BB garbage flops big draw

McG · #1 07-08-2007, 08:41 PM

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, CO raises, SB calls, Hero calls, MP3 folds.

River: (11.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO ?, SB ?.

I think I played this hand okay except for the turn. Checking and then calling two bets cold seems weak, but I couldn't see leading the turn into a large field without a made hand, and the odds were there to call two bets back even assuming the straight outs were no good, so I'm not sure how else to play it. Then too, maybe I should have discounted for the possibility that someone had the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Point Blank · #2 07-08-2007, 08:49 PM

against a field of 5 I don't like the flop bet without the nut draw ... especially on such a co-ordinated board

TURN is terrible ...

Maliant · #3 07-09-2007, 01:26 AM

c/r flop and bet turn.

bravos1 · #4 07-09-2007, 02:02 AM

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c/r flop and bet turn.

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who are you c/r'ing?

bravos1 · #5 07-09-2007, 02:05 AM

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against a field of 5 I don't like the flop bet without the nut draw ... especially on such a co-ordinated board

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He has 2nd nut flush draw AND OESD.... does that not equate to enough equity to bet here?
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TURN is terrible ...

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What is terrible? The check or the calling of 2 bets?

Point Blank · #6 07-09-2007, 02:33 AM

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against a field of 5 I don't like the flop bet without the nut draw ... especially on such a co-ordinated board

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He has 2nd nut flush draw AND OESD.... does that not equate to enough equity to bet here?
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TURN is terrible ...

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What is terrible? The check or the calling of 2 bets?

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IMO 2nd nut flush draw is pretty weak when it's only one card (I've never put too much faith in it)
lol - i didn't really notice the oesd [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
don't know if that's enough to swing my vote to a bet ... knock off 1 or 2 opponents and it's an easy bet but on a board that connected I'd much rather see how the action develops behind me

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that he did bet the flop I don't know that I like the check ... and i really don't like calling two cold

Gap23Razor · #7 07-09-2007, 03:29 AM

re: turn no bet, with maybe 13 outs or so (2nd nut flush & 1 card OESD ) you maybe ought to have raised, as you have 13 wins out of 46 cards in the pack, you would need about 2.5 calls for +ev on the turn bet standalone, and you had three villains, could expect one to fold and if you made you hand on the river, you could get one caller at least--so you could get your bets...looks like some overlay

but look what happened, you checked and they bet...so don't ask how, ask how many...seriously, were the villains aggressive bettors?

Maliant · #8 07-09-2007, 03:32 AM

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c/r flop and bet turn.

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who are you c/r'ing?

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Anyone who bets, if they don't bet sweet we save a BB.

bravos1 · #9 07-09-2007, 03:52 AM

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c/r flop and bet turn.

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who are you c/r'ing?

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Anyone who bets, if they don't bet sweet we save a BB.

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well for one, we are not sure anyone is betting here, but I guess we can assume that someone will much of the time.

The bolded part confuses me, well not really, but your missing the point sort of. If the flop checks through, yes, we save a SB, BUT we lose out on much more... a good portion of all the villians bets that never make it into the pot.

In limit, you cannot make up lost bets like one can in NL.

Zeldark · #10 07-09-2007, 05:00 AM

In a situation like this, I bet the flop, I bet the turn. If they raise I call the turn. If they don't I bet the river.

That draw is a monster almost like the kind I dream about and drool onto my keyboard when I actually see them. (At the casino I freak everybody out.) I'll slow down when they start doing the betting for me.