skipping the value raise on the flop

[TheSeeker03]

6/12 at Borgata, passive, somewhat loose.

3 limpers, I limp in CO w/ Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], button calls.

6 players, 6.5SB.

flop J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB bets and gets 3 callers. I call.

I have only Button to protect my hand from. In order to have value in the raise I have to have the best hand right now. If I don't have the best hand, I have very small equity given all the draws out there and very few cards can help me.

Seems like half the deck is bad, so I wait for the turn.

I believe this situation is similar to playing overpair in SSHE. Ed recommends raising for value w/AA, but to wait for the turn w/TT overpair on a low draw flop that has been bet into and got lots of callers.

[jjshabado]

You don't necessarily need to have the best hand to make the raise worth it. It sounds like there are probably at least a couple of players drawing very slim. Their dead money could make it worth it for you, even if you're not sure you're best.

But I think I agree with your call. Like you said, you're not going to protect your hand and there's a ton of dangerous cards that can come. I like the call/re-evaluate on turn line.

[Maliant]

raise preflop, id probably raise flop too, a lot of drawing hands are paying you off here and then if u get c/r on turn u can easily fold.

[Niediam]

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raise preflop, id probably raise flop too, a lot of drawing hands are paying you off here and then if u get c/r on turn u can easily fold.

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I have no idea why you want to raise preflop.

I think raising or calling the flop is probably close but I'm leaning on the calling side.

[KitCloudkicker]

well played to this point imo.

what was the turn/action?

[HoneyBadger]

Seems fine, you can't know whether you're actually ahead, or drawing to a 3 outer yourself (or even dead). Preflop raise with QJo is silly; with QJs it's probably ok.

[BigBadBabar]

it's not a spewy raise pf obviously, it's probably neutral ev to raise this pf ip

[Maliant]

I missed where OP was, didn't remember CO w/ 3 limpers, call is fine [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[TheSeeker03]

Turn was a second club rag. It's checked to me, I bet. Button and BB call.

River is a club rag putting a BD flush.

Checked to me, I value bet. Button calls w/T8o and MHIG. YAY!

[James.]

perfect.