Folding KK to c/r on J high flop with deep stacks?

[bulldog999]

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MP3 (t14920)
bulldog999 (t14180)
Button (t5395)
SB (t17845)
BB (t2625)
UTG (t12345)
UTG+1 (t1800)
MP1 (t18530)
MP2 (t17775)

Preflop: bulldog999 is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">bulldog999 raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls t500, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t1800) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">bulldog999 raises to t2000</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t6000</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">bulldog999 ?</font>

I can fold here and still have a ton of chips relative to the blinds.......or is it worth it early in the tournament to try and pick up a huge stack?

I played 69 hands with this player his VPIP$ is 28.99 (50% from SB) and he hadn't c/r on any other hand......he's bet out on 3/5 flops.

[ZJ123]

ugg, fold.

[flyingmoose]

I'd fold

[MadScientist]

Fold. His range includes few draws. You should bail.

[iwannawon]

If you guys don't mind, can you elaborate a bit? Does everyone think sb has a set or is it just not worth finding out at this point? if op was in early position i'd think their raises warrent more respect but in co a standard raise on potentially a wide range and a cbet of less than half the pot, i can see button just playing back, sb couldn't have something like AJ here? doesn't seem there's any way they could put him on something as strong as KK. just curious. thanks.

[MJBuddy]

Yeah, he could have AJ, but that's the only hand, out of very many that fit this read, that we're beating.

[woohoo88]

I don't see how this is so unamimously a fold without a better read. Even if you are against only AJ or a set, which i think is a stretch, it's close.


Board: Jc 5d 4h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.535% 43.54% 00.00% 46548 0.00 { KK }
Hand 1: 56.465% 56.46% 00.00% 60372 0.00 { JJ, 55-44, AJo }

[MJBuddy]

Because you're not HU as well. Not saying SB has a hand, but I'm not a fan of calling of my stack down a 20% edge against my range. I want to be +EV against my range or at very least be getting amazing odds on improving.


And you do want to add in 54s in the range here....if someone calls loose

[benza13]

This is a check 3 bet through 2 other players, we are much more likely to be way behind than anything else, gotta be a fold.

[plzleenowhammy]

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.508% 46.12% 01.39% 16437 495.00 { KcKd }
Hand 1: 52.492% 51.10% 01.39% 18213 495.00 { JJ+, 55-44, AJs, 54s, AJo }

with that range this is really close but i think he shows up with a set soo often here that it's still right to fold