25NL (9Max): Boat on Turn. Should I raise Turn or River?

Jay.Yang · #1 07-05-2007, 08:48 PM

Villain is a donk. Is my line good?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($9.90)
UTG ($21)
UTG+1 ($72.70)
MP1 ($22)
MP2 ($20)
MP3 ($13)
Hero ($23.30)
Button ($28.20)
SB ($21.65)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $1.5, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50, 3 folds, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($3.60) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $2.5, Hero calls $2.50.

Turn: ($8.60) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $2.5, Hero calls $2.50.

River: ($13.60) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $3.25, Hero raises to $10...

Final Pot: $33.60

RyanCMU · #2 07-05-2007, 08:54 PM

I 3bet preflop vs bad players...

But I mean postflop is fine as long as you throw in a raise in somewhere hahah..

KurtSF · #3 07-05-2007, 09:04 PM

I re-raise preflop.

Heads up flop line is fine.

Bingo! Yes, you should raise this turn. First of all if this donk has AA, KK, or QQ he's not going anywhere anyway. Second if he's got a draw you're getting paid if it hits no matter if you call or raise, but if he misses you want to get some money in before he knows his hand is no good. About the only thing you lose value on is AK, and I think that's a much smaller portion of his range than the upside of getting paid off by flush draws and overpairs.

As played river is good.

Thoughts?

Jay.Yang · #4 07-05-2007, 09:14 PM

Not too much read on Villain. I didn't know how loose/tight his PF hand selection is. Plus I have position on him, I decide not to 3-bet PF.

My thinking of not raising the Turn is that I think 77-TT could also be in his range. And raising the Turn might make him fold these hands. By calling the Turn, we could still extract money from AA-QQ from River. And if he's aggro, he might fire again with AK or TT-77. So we extract more by calling the Turn instead of Raising.

Make sense?

MarcusT · #5 07-06-2007, 12:19 AM

I usually raise turn and lead river. If this guy isn't a donk he'll be c/f anyway so you better extract more money while he's still on a draw.